War on Woke: Conservative Cultural Campaigning
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Sasaferrato
Super Refuser!
Well, it is their time, and that of any audience. I would probably attend a local talk by someone who thinks the earth is flat, just to hear their 'evidence'.
It is never acceptable when someone is prevented from speaking (within the law).
Shutting down discussion is the stuff of tyranny, and in the case of tertiary education, this tyranny is hard left. That is indisputable.
hitmouse
so defeated, thinks it's funny
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Would that be the same Guardian that waged an ongoing campaign against Corbyn throughout his time as leader?
Now peddling anecdotes that are entirely at odds with the general direction of travel and failing to mention it? Well I never.
Would quite like an answer to this Sasaferrato
I thought you would be grateful of the opportunity to defend your ideas.
Sasaferrato
Super Refuser!
That is an interesting one.
I cannot help but feel that an average reading age in the UK of nine years, is a major part of the anti-vax problem. If people cannot understand the literature regarding vaccination, then they are prone to fall prey to those who express their anti-vax view in words of one syllable.
' The average reading age of the UK population is 9 years – that is, they have achieved the reading ability normally expected of a 9 year old. The Guardian has a reading age of 14 and the Sun has a reading age of 8. '
The average reading age is…?
The average reading age of the UK is 11. That’s what the speaker told us at the last Socitm meeting I attended. It struck me as an interesting statistic and possibly a damning indictment of our edu…
guerrillaworking.com
A reading age of nine is an appalling reflection on those paid to educate our children.
This is from 2012.
"Britain has up to eight million adults who are functionally illiterate, a report out today revealed. The World Literacy Foundation said one in five of the UK population are so poor at reading and writing they struggle to read a medicine label or use a chequebook".
"Figures show it costs the UK economy £81bn a year".
Are one in five British adults illiterate? - Full Fact
Today's Mail and Sun reported that a staggering one in five British people are functionally illiterate, based on findings from the charity the World Literacy Foundation. Do they need to read between…
fullfact.org
I know that after some research, HMRC reset all documents to a reading age of 12.
Why them and not the politicians who run the education system?
Sasaferrato
Super Refuser!
I don't write the Guardian, I read it.
On this occasion, they got it wrong. To me, it was an 'oh' moment, something that is of neither importance or particular interest.
The Guardian in general may have been opposed to Corbyn, but Owen Jones appeared to have an orgasm every time he mentioned Corbyn.
Little Piranha
Small or far away?
If you read the link from FullFact which you posted, it says these figures are dated and unreliable.That is an interesting one.
I cannot help but feel that an average reading age in the UK of nine years, is a major part of the anti-vax problem. If people cannot understand the literature regarding vaccination, then they are prone to fall prey to those who express their anti-vax view in words of one syllable.
' The average reading age of the UK population is 9 years – that is, they have achieved the reading ability normally expected of a 9 year old. The Guardian has a reading age of 14 and the Sun has a reading age of 8. '
.The average reading age is…?
The average reading age of the UK is 11. That’s what the speaker told us at the last Socitm meeting I attended. It struck me as an interesting statistic and possibly a damning indictment of our edu…
A reading age of nine is an appalling reflection on those paid to educate our children.
This is from 2012.
"Britain has up to eight million adults who are functionally illiterate, a report out today revealed. The World Literacy Foundation said one in five of the UK population are so poor at reading and writing they struggle to read a medicine label or use a chequebook".
"Figures show it costs the UK economy £81bn a year".
Are one in five British adults illiterate? - Full Fact
Today's Mail and Sun reported that a staggering one in five British people are functionally illiterate, based on findings from the charity the World Literacy Foundation. Do they need to read between…
I know that after some research, HMRC reset all documents to a reading age of 12.
The Sunday Times wouldn't even give me a newspaper column. All I wanted to do was call for the violent overthrow of capitalism and the state in a national newspaper but the woke are determined to silence me.
chilango
Hypothetical Wanker
The guy believes those stories about the further reaches of student politics they print in the scum press from time to time are 'the NUS'. He doesn't know it's made up.
ferrelhadley
There is no love between us anymore.
Everyone misrepresents what the "other side" are concerned with, so everyone gets to be super outraged about the "other side".
Perfect online politics in echo chambers.
Outrage about outrage. Not an original thought in sight.
Perfect online politics in echo chambers.
Outrage about outrage. Not an original thought in sight.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
I always remember when a teacher I knew wanted to invite a Holocaust survivor to speak at the school he worked at and one of the Tory governers said he didn't have a problem with it providing there was someone there with an opposing view. Is this the sort of thing you are on about?
apart from yours, oh sage.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
School governorship has always been such a massive cunt magnet.
Nikkormat
Well-Known Member
I doubt many people on here would disagree, but there is a difference between denial of the right to speak, and denial of a particular platform. Not being invited to speak at a university is not denial of free speech.
Artaxerxes
Look out, he's got a gnu!
Honestly think one of the key questions for many things is "do you want to be in charge?" And anyone who says yes is automatically disqualified.
Brainaddict
slight system overdrive
But the right misrepresents power relationships not just ideas. It treats insurgent ideas as being those of the elite, and dominant ideas as underdogs under threat from powerful and sinister forces. That's the main sneakiness in their argument. The government, Telegraph, Spectator, Daily Mail and those who agree with them are all being bullied by students, apparently. And what do we do with bullies? We stand up to them. By using the full force of the state, backed by a chorus of the majority of the media. That's the danger in this debate.
chilango
Hypothetical Wanker
Here's a straight forward question for you Sasaferrato ...
Do you think students should be exposed to "extremist" views/ideas?
Do you think students should be exposed to "extremist" views/ideas?
hitmouse
so defeated, thinks it's funny
Remember that comedian whose show got CANCELLED by Goldsmiths because they couldn't take her controversial opinions, and also because only eight people had bought tickets? That were a proper classic of the genre, imo.
Sasaferrato
Super Refuser!
Define 'extremist'.
mojo pixy
...שלא נמצא בשמאל
On the other hand, should a holocaust denier be allowed to hold a holocaust denial event for the local holocaust denial society? Even if only half a dozen people show up, is it even something that should be allowed on campus? Should it be allowed along with protests against it? That would seem to be the 'real deal' free speech, but the potential for violence would be massive and I'm not sure free speech is necessarily worth that. Obviously if the HolDenSoc want to meet at someone's house that's entirely up to them, but the question is should it be allowed in a public space?
Maybe the issue is around opinion vs truth. If someone has objectionable views and presents them only as opinion, for me that's less of a problem than someone presenting demonstrable untruth as truth, eg antivaxers, or holocaust deniers. I believe racism is based on obvious lies but someone else would call it a matter of opinion. A lot of people hide behind that little phrase and it's very difficult to deal with.
Ideally anyone should be free to say what they want, and be free to deal with the consequences in terms of pushback. The problem is, who else might suffer the consequences of that speech? Does incitement always sound like incitement? What I especially don't like though is when someone claims Free Speech for themselves but denies it to people who shout them down. Either you believe in it, or you don't.
Anyway I'm not sure where I am now, this is rather a mess of half-feelings and misunderstanding. But as I say to my son, you have one mouth and two ears, so listen double and talk half.
Sasaferrato
Super Refuser!
2019 is hardly dated.
chilango
Hypothetical Wanker
Fairly sure something similar happened at my current Uni. Hopkins or someone wasn't selling tickets so manufactured threats to get get her gig shut down for security reasons. Before any of us had chance to organise any sort of protest.
hitmouse
so defeated, thinks it's funny
There's a joke about reading comprehension to be made somewhere here, I'm sure of it.Fullfact.org said:
MickiQ
In My Defence I was left Unsupervised
One person's extremism is another persons common sense so that is a very dangerous road to start going down, As for whether students should be 'exposed' to views/ideas that other people don't approve of. Well students (university at least) are adults and they are supposed to be intelligent adults at that so they should be allowed to make their own minds up.
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