VAR and the Premier League

[The39thStep]

Wonder if there is a quick change planned or for the next season?

I dont think its a quick change more a case of reiterating what they see as the principles of good practice in VAR. The Dutch who invented the bloody thing were aghast at last weeks decisions. I'm still for scrapping it but that looks unlikely , as a fall back I'd advocate refs making the decision on pitch side monitors ie quick look nothing clear and obvious check and no more Mike Riley drawing fucking lines like an obsessed stoned dot to dot fanatic.

 

[two sheds]

When managers and players have a five-minute rant at match officials "That was NEVER offside weren't you even looking at him, he was a mile behind that defender, that's just rubbish you've cost us the game here ...." and VAR shows it was indeed offside the officials should be allowed a five-minute rant back "See it WAS offside wasn't it, yes I was looking at him and he was a full yard in front of that defender if you're such a rubbish manager you don't deserve to win ..."

 

[hash tag]

A force for good

 

[friedaweed]

No VAR needed at Anfield tonight and much better for it. Even if it would of given us a pen.

 

[Badgers]

No VAR needed at Anfield tonight and much better for it. Even if it would of given us a pen.

One could argue there could have been two penalties. Soft penalties perhaps but more credible than the offside decisions given.

 

[mx wcfc]

I appear to have entered this discussion earlier, but to reiterate

Video refs causes very little problem in rugby, because it's shown on the big screen, and people can hear the discussion. why doesn't football learn from that?
Whatever happened to "clear and obvious error? If VAR can't spot the offside in a couple of views, it's not offside. None of this one millimetre computer calculated bollocks.
Football needs VAR to stop cheating, which happens a lot in football.
The handball rule is also shit at the moment.

 

[friedaweed]

I appear to have entered this discussion earlier, but to reiterate

Video refs causes very little problem in rugby, because it's shown on the big screen, and people can hear the discussion.
why doesn't football learn from that?

Because not all football grounds have big screens???

Football needs VAR to stop cheating, which happens a lot in football.

and never happens in Rugby just men who stick their fingers in each others arseholes to get an edge in the tackle

Anyway no cheating or Var tonight and the game was much better for it.

 

[mx wcfc]

Because not all football grounds have big screens.



and never happens in Rugby

Anyway no cheating or Var tonight and the game was much better for it.

I don't have the advantage of Sky tv so didn't watch the game.
All premiership grounds have big screens, don't they?

Yes of course there is cheating in all team sports, but when Reading first got promoted to the premiership, the one thing I learnt very early, from sitting behind the goal, was that the only thing premiership defenders were better at than championship defenders, was cheating. England defenders in red shirts mainly.

(actually it was fine when Ferdinand was playing for England, just not when he was playing for man U)

 

[friedaweed]

All premiership grounds have big screens, don't they?

No.

I don't have the advantage of Sky tv so didn't watch the game.

Check your inbox x

 

[mx wcfc]

fair play!

(whenever I've tried that sort pf thing my pc has ended up under attack from all sorts of shit, so I don't bother now!)

 

[brixtonblade]

No VAR needed at Anfield tonight and much better for it. Even if it would of given us a pen.

They check everything and decided not enough to give penalty for

 

[Monkeygrinder's Organ]

I think it causes less issues in rugby because they already had a culture of respecting the ref tbh, not because of big screens.

 

[butchersapron]

The ref is neither here nor there. Let's not start with this posh boys vs ruffisans nonsense.

 

[friedaweed]

The ref is neither here nor there. Let's not start with this posh boys vs ruffisans nonsense.

Don't both sports have both posh ruffian boys anyway?

 

[friedaweed]

They check everything and decided not enough to give penalty for

I'm referring to the painful stoppage time incurred by the decisions. At anfield where there is no screen the time where the game is stopped for VAR can be rediculous some times. Anyway like I said, albeit not very clearly, there were no stoppages for slide-rule-fuckwittery and the game was all the better for it

 

[Nivag]

 

[friedaweed]

Finally they find a home for VAR

BBC Radio 5 Live - That Peter Crouch Podcast, Revealed: the one place where VAR works

Peter Crouch has cracked VAR...at least at children's parties...

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[The39thStep]

the last three goals that went to the back of Man Utd's net have all been ruled out by VAR

 

[Badgers]

the last three goals that went to the back of Man Utd's net have all been ruled out by VAR

Read today that Utd/City have been awarded 27% of all penalties in the PL this season.

 

[The39thStep]

Read today that Utd/City have been awarded 27% of all penalties in the PL this season.

Could understand City having a high percentage as they get in the box a lot. Utd?

 

[The39thStep]

VAR VAR'd VAR: Premier League confirms wrong penalty decisions in all Thursday games . What is the point?

 

[newbie]

failed experiment, should be scrapped completely.

 

[two sheds]

Works perfectly in rugby, as I've noted before.

 

[Maltin]

failed experiment, should be scrapped completely.

I don’t think it has failed generally. The VAR, for whatever reason, decided not to overrule last night’s decisions. Without VAR, all those incorrect decisions would have still been incorrect. The fact that they didn’t bother to intervene doesn’t mean the system should be scrapped. If the referees at the ground and in the studio were doing their jobs properly then the decisions may have been different. No one is suggesting that the on field referees should be scrapped as they made at least 3 bad calls so not sure why VAR is getting the blame yet again.

My main issue with VAR and goal line technology in the UK is that it is trying to introduce perfection into the game when the rules weren’t written for this. Offside wasn’t written to be hair splittingly accurate; if 99.99% of the ball is over the line it should probably be a goal. The new handball rule was plainly absurd when it was introduced. To me, it’s the rules that need amending to deal with this ability to be more precise than the human eye rather than blaming VAR.

VAR has not been successfully introduced in the UK but it is increasing the number of correct decisions and I think that’s good and once they tweak the rules to realize they have this system and apply more common sense when using it, I think much of the controversy will go away.

 

[strung out]

The reason it should be scrapped completely is not because of it's (in)accuracy, although it has been a complete farce this season, it's because it's pandering to fucking nerds who have never kicked a football in their life or been to a live football match.

 

[Chilli.s]

Just needs fine tuning.

 

[newbie]

I don’t think it has failed generally. The VAR, for whatever reason, decided not to overrule last night’s decisions. Without VAR, all those incorrect decisions would have still been incorrect. The fact that they didn’t bother to intervene doesn’t mean the system should be scrapped. If the referees at the ground and in the studio were doing their jobs properly then the decisions may have been different. No one is suggesting that the on field referees should be scrapped as they made at least 3 bad calls so not sure why VAR is getting the blame yet again.

My main issue with VAR and goal line technology in the UK is that it is trying to introduce perfection into the game when the rules weren’t written for this. Offside wasn’t written to be hair splittingly accurate; if 99.99% of the ball is over the line it should probably be a goal. The new handball rule was plainly absurd when it was introduced. To me, it’s the rules that need amending to deal with this ability to be more precise than the human eye rather than blaming VAR.

VAR has not been successfully introduced in the UK but it is increasing the number of correct decisions and I think that’s good and once they tweak the rules to realize they have this system and apply more common sense when using it, I think much of the controversy will go away.

my view is that it's a game played by humans, watched by humans and should be refereed by a human and when they make a wrong decision, they should be abused by humans. Perfection shouldn't come into it, nor should long, frustrating delays while someone fiddles with technology and watches different angles on a telly.

Until the incident the other week when it failed completely I wasn't bothered by the goal line technology, but that failure, and the failure of VAR to overrule it, means it's not 100% reliable. Nor is a ref or linesbod but I'd much rather have human mistakes.

 

[two sheds]

There'll always be hairline decisions that half of the crowd will say are good and the other half were daylight fucking robbery. For me it's the time it takes to decide with the crowd not knowing what's going on. That's why rugby is so good - everyone gets to see what happened as it is repeated to the ref so it's interesting to watch again rather than just being a boring wait. .

 

[strung out]

Just needs fine tuning.

Even if it was perfect, it should still be binned off.

 

[Chilli.s]

Even if it was perfect, it should still be binned off.

I dont agree.