Another scumbag bites the dust. More slaughter within the loyalist family presumably.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/4573194.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/4573194.stm
UVF Gunrunner Lindsay Robb Murdered
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Out of curiousity
would your remarks also cover Republican gangsters who murdered more women and children than loyalists? Let's say, the murderers of Robert McCartney, an innocent civilian. Or, are you selective in your hatred
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tollbar said:
would your remarks also cover Republican gangsters who murdered more women and children than loyalists? Let's say, the murderers of Robert McCartney, an innocent civilian. Or, are you selective in your hatred
Directing this question at tollbar
smash_g8 said:
Your Orange slip is showing. how do you detect from the fact that I regard the demise of a member of the LVF drug gang operating in a city already swamped by narcotics of one sort or another as an indication that I might support the killing of Macartney ?. For 30 years I supported the struggle against British imperialism in Ireland. While rejecting armed struggle in the current period I will give no support to operations by PIRA or similar designed to maintain a hold over working class communities on behalf of maintaining a sectarian status quo which in the end only benefits the imperialism such organisations were set up to fight.
Just curious
As to how far your support went for the murder of women and children over the past 30 years. Do you not consider women and children as part of the working class? Or were this innocent casualities all to forgotten about in the name of an 'alleged' struggle againt something
In my mind, Leslie Robb = Scum
Loyalist terrorists and their supporters = scum
Republican terrorists and supporters = Scum
I have a clear conscience that no one innocent was murdered on my behalf, you obviousely cannot feel the same
tollbar said:
As to how far your support went for the murder of women and children over the past 30 years. Do you not consider women and children as part of the working class? Or were this innocent casualities all to forgotten about in the name of an 'alleged' struggle againt something
In my mind, Leslie Robb = Scum
Loyalist terrorists and their supporters = scum
Republican terrorists and supporters = Scum
I have a clear conscience that no one innocent was murdered on my behalf, you obviousely cannot feel the same
Larry O'Hara
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As Far as I Remember (Files in Storage)
Robb claimed when sentenced that he had been fitted up by MI5, & others have said he had a more than passing acquaintance with same--so maybe MI5 personnel (or target) disposal could have been a motive? Keep an open mind...
Robb claimed when sentenced that he had been fitted up by MI5, & others have said he had a more than passing acquaintance with same--so maybe MI5 personnel (or target) disposal could have been a motive? Keep an open mind...
Where in my posts
was I talking about the 'latter' part of the troubles? you are correct in what you say and many will say that is what brought the IRA to the peace table, they certainly were not 'protecting' their community.
I shall desist from posting on this subject anymore as I see the conspiracy theroists have arrived. I don't know that much about aliens from outer space so good luck
was I talking about the 'latter' part of the troubles? you are correct in what you say and many will say that is what brought the IRA to the peace table, they certainly were not 'protecting' their community.
I shall desist from posting on this subject anymore as I see the conspiracy theroists have arrived. I don't know that much about aliens from outer space so good luck
Divisive Cotton
Now I just have my toy soldiers
smash_g8 said:
Do you write for the Sun by any chance?
Larry O'Hara
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Divisive Cotton said:
more like the Daily Planet (Martian edition).
I wouldnt dignify his posts with a further reply.
According to that mighty organ, The Daily Record. Robb was stabbed by someone that he knew, allegedly a low level drug user because Robb wouldnt take the bloke to his dealer. seemingly Robb knew his killer, of course, other reasons (the sort that Larry points out) cannot be ruled out, but its more then likely that his business activities were getting up the wrong noses, not an unusual cause of death in that part of the world.
Robb, of course didnt get the chance of a cushy acedemic career as did his former comrade in arms David Seawright as Stirling Uni, unlike Strathclyde, were not keen on having people with UVF pedigrees about the place.
According to that mighty organ, The Daily Record. Robb was stabbed by someone that he knew, allegedly a low level drug user because Robb wouldnt take the bloke to his dealer. seemingly Robb knew his killer, of course, other reasons (the sort that Larry points out) cannot be ruled out, but its more then likely that his business activities were getting up the wrong noses, not an unusual cause of death in that part of the world.
Robb, of course didnt get the chance of a cushy acedemic career as did his former comrade in arms David Seawright as Stirling Uni, unlike Strathclyde, were not keen on having people with UVF pedigrees about the place.
cathal marcs
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tollbar said:
Racist its leftwing to tolerate dealers.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
smash_g8 said:
None of us have a "clear conscience". No one is innocent.
cathal marcs
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DexterTCN said:
it is Glasgow we are talking about.
Larry O'Hara
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tollbar said:
speaking of Seawright, also an NF pedigree, if memory serves (yes David), although he (& Special Branch...) might hope we had all forgotten--not so!! Perhaps he used the pretend-Catholic St Joe Pearce as an academic referee?
Red Faction
Allez Les Rouges
how on earth do you reach that conclusion from his original post?!tollbar said:
Red Faction
Allez Les Rouges
shame on you for dirtying these boardstollbar said:
Red Faction said:
Too much wine on my part probably. I think he was trying to be over emotive not to mention sexist if he was trying to paint women as defenceless victims during the period of the armed struggle. I suspect that most of us here can think of women from all sides who were very active participants, from undercover brits through the likes of Gina Adair toting her Kalasnikov to IRA and INLA volunteers.
Armed struggle - that was the period of ultimately pointless violence where neighbours murdered each other even though they were only families apart, right?!tollbar said:
I was talking about woman like Marie Wilson, a nurse killed by the IRA when they left a bomb aimed at killing anyone around at the time it went off, regardless of age, sex, religion.....A cowardly act Perhaps Violent Panda could explain how she was not innocent!!!
The 3 young catholic girls killed by Loyalist thugs while working in an ice cream van in County Armagh And again to Violent Panda, how were these young girls not innocent?
All acts of cowardly scum. you obviousely defend this as defending their cause, I don't.
Fine if you want to have a war take on the army and other armed terrorist groups. A lot of innocent targets could have been avoided (by both sides).
Isambard said:
The British could hardly lose. Republican terrorist groups had zero chance of a military victory over the British state, ever. Everybody knows this apart from the IRA fantasist romantics who failed to justify their stance here:
http://www.urban75.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=135665&highlight=republican
foggypane said:
Quite possibly. But the British state wasn't on the verge of victory either despite the resourses at its disposal.
John Major let the cat out of the bag when he said there was no "selfish interest" in Northern Ireland: Not only did the British state realise it wasn't going to win militarily, the state / capital realised or finally admitted to itself that it no longer had any reason to hold onto Northern Ireland: Western ports, shipbuilding and textiles simply aren't "worth" as much as they were in the early 20th Century.
At the same time the Republic was booming and the Dublin crooks could sell the idea in the 26 counties that making money (mostly for themselves) was more important than any notion of what the Easter Rising might have been about.
And of course, middle to ruling class nationalists (including some IRA men ) in Northern Ireland has their eye on the spoils that might come from some peace / devolution deal.
The idea that it all happened just becuase the IRA relaise they couldn't win militarily is not true.
Returning to the original point of the thread, There are a number of stories on the Daly Ireland site: http://televisual.co.uk/home.tvt and type Lindsay Robb into search engine, that indicate that there could be more to this killing then just a dispute over a coke deal. A bit of secret state housecleaning possibly ?.
mod
A modernist
True enough Isambard but one cynical way of looking at the huge British Military presence in Ulster during the 70's, 80's and 90's is that it was being used as a very effective training ground for conflicts elsewhere in the world. That type of training is invaluable and look how many times we heard it mentioned in the early days of 'peace keeping' in Basra.Isambard said:
Belfast was once one of the most prosperous ports in the British Isles and Eire one of the most poverty stricken countries in Europe. This could not be further from the truth on both counts today and I believe The Troubles have run their natural course as opposed to either side influencing it's outcome.
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