Lindsay Hoyle's time is up

[littlebabyjesus]

I hope people realise that by blocking Labour from winning seats, we could end up with the same party in government?

Only where the vote is split in a way that allows a Tory to win instead.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Labour’s leadership despises its activists, not its base. As do all party leaderships. And with good reason.

Oh Starmer despises his Muslim base. That means close to half the people who voted for him last election.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

well, we could stop selling them the weapons

As if.

 

[Petcha]

I've been out of the loop for a couple of days with health issues. But what's he actually done wrong? Please distil for this drugged up simpleton.

 

[Wilf]

I've been out of the loop for a couple of days with health issues. But what's he actually done wrong? Please distil for this drugged up simpleton.

They are all wankers.

 

[cupid_stunt]

I've been out of the loop for a couple of days with health issues. But what's he actually done wrong? Please distil for this drugged up simpleton.

This article is a good summary.

https://www.nationalworld.com/news/politics/what-did-lindsay-hoyle-do-4529591

 

[Wilf]

So, he allowed the Labour amendment because of 'threats to MPs'. Assuming he meant pro-Palestinian rather than pro-Israeli threats, let's explore the logic of that. Firstly, it's a lie. But secondly, why would pro=Palestinian threat hurlers be so keen to get the Labour amendment on the order paper? Surely, they'd want the exact opposite?

tldr? They are all wankers.

 

[Plumdaff]

He allowed it because of threats to a specific MP, i.e. him, from the Labour whips.

But let's blame those horrid left-wing anti-Semites and Muslims, eh.

 

[two sheds]

Yes just struck me that I'm surprised nobody's blamed Corbyn yet.

 

[Serge Forward]

Total bollocks innit. If he's going to bulllshit, he could at least make up something plausible.

 

[Wilf]

Total bollocks innit. If he's going to bulllshit, he could at least make up something plausible.

Aliens, Jacob Marley's ghost, weasels ripped my flesh, cat bin lady twisted my arm, a disturbance in the force...

 

[SpookyFrank]

And the correct response to terrorist threats is to cave in to them, is it?

Although it's far from clear who Hoyle claims was threatening who and to what end.

 

[Wilf]

Man dressed in cloak and garters made to look ridiculous.

 

[andysays]

And the correct response to terrorist threats is to cave in to them, is it?

Although it's far from clear who Hoyle claims was threatening who and to what end.

It appears that some (mostly) Labour MPs who didn't vote for a ceasefire last time received threats, and the fear was that this would happen again (that's the claim, anyway).

Interesting point made by a Tory MP

Tory MP: 'Unacceptable' to use extremist threats to change democracy

Tory MP Danny Kruger says he signed the no-confidence motion in the Speaker for "allowing" Labour to use extremist threats to MPs' safety to "change the way our democracy works. This is unacceptable," he writes on X. The MP for Devizes says his decision is "not personal" and, like Ben Wallace, indicates that Labour leader Sir Keir Starmer was "even more culpable. He should be standing for democracy and against mob rule. Instead he used the threat of violence for party political ends, to wriggle out of a crisis created by Labour's unbridgeable division over Israel," he adds.

 

[Wilf]

It appears that some (mostly) Labour MPs who didn't vote for a ceasefire last time received threats, and the fear was that this would happen again (that's the claim, anyway).

So, the kindest interpretation you could put on this was that he was creating a situation where Labour MPs could vote for a ceasefire and thus avoid the flak. But even that is bullshit and shows him intervening in party politics. Those Labour MPs should have been the ones making that decision, balancing their craven shithouse loyalty to Starmer against the (apparent) threats they faced. All roads come back to Starmer's position on Palestine and here we have Hoyle protecting Starmer, not Parliament or individual MPs.

 

[cupid_stunt]

65 MPs have now signed the early motion of no confidence in Hoyles.

 

[andysays]

This piece provides a useful summary of what has happened

How the row over Commons Speaker Sir Lindsay Hoyle unfolded​

 

[gosub]

Hoyle isn't protecting Starmer or anyof the Labour MP's....this time round NON of the Labour MP's voted for a ceasefire

 

[belboid]

He's fucked now.

The Lib-Dems have just given him their complete support.

 

[Wilf]

Anyway, he'll be in the Lords in a few months, making earnest, tearful interjections on the 13th sub clause of the standing orders on Walter Bagehot's two sword length Erskine May interpretation of stoat coats and the sergeant at arms long johns (2nd reading).

 

[Gerry1time]

Yes just struck me that I'm surprised nobody's blamed Corbyn yet.

I blame Corbyn. HTH.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

He's fucked now.

The Lib-Dems have just given him their complete support.

Who?

 

[tim]

He's fucked now.

The Lib-Dems have just given him their complete support.

They managed to protect the Post Offfice from all those pesky postmasters for several years

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

65 MPs have now signed the early motion of no confidence in Hoyles.

Has the parliament of Burkina Faso had a debate yet on whether Hoyle should go?

 

[Bingoman]

65 MPs have now signed the early motion of no confidence in Hoyles.

It actually 64 atm someone miscalculated

 

[andysays]

Has the parliament of Burkina Faso had a debate yet on whether Hoyle should go?

They were going to, but apparently some of their MPs received threats so they bottled it...

 

[Wilf]

Has the parliament of Burkina Faso had a debate yet on whether Hoyle should go?

He's received messages of support from Judge Judy, a number of professional referees and Dickie Bird.

 

[Bingoman]

He's fucked now.

The Lib-Dems have just given him their complete support.

Michael Gove has now backed the Speaker his screwed

 

[Sasaferrato]

And the correct response to terrorist threats is to cave in to them, is it?

Although it's far from clear who Hoyle claims was threatening who and to what end.

See post #128.

 

[skyscraper101]

Yes just struck me that I'm surprised nobody's blamed Corbyn yet.

Starmer's actions were hastened by trying to prevent a Corbyn stylee PLP spat for the media to lap up. It's all Jezza's fault. Obvs.