gentlegreen
I hummus, therefore I am ...
It's not over until the slimey Tory sings ...
urban Lib Dem voters! What do you think of what's going on?
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It's not over until the slimey Tory sings ...
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
I think it is, for now. This 'national interest not party interest' guff can only mean a willingness to ditch the demand for pr.
From their point of view, I can't see why they aren't holding out for a commitment to a referendum on pr from the Tories or Labour.
Because the Tories dont need to make a commitment and Labour cannot deliever one.
Simple really.
Proper Tidy
Arsed
Because they won't get it from the Tories and the Liberal leadership don't want to do a deal with Labour
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
The tories cannot govern if the libdems vote against their Queen's speech.
gentlegreen
I hummus, therefore I am ...
So there is no national interest ?
We aren't on the edge of bankruptcy ?
We can afford to flounder until forced to have another shit election result ?
We aren't on the edge of bankruptcy ?
We can afford to flounder until forced to have another shit election result ?
spanglechick
High Empress of Dressing Up
i voted lib dem to send a message to tessa jowell, who was never going to be unseated. I would have liked to see a sizeable swing away from labour in my constituency to register my dissatisfaction with them, and knew that here it would not actually running the risk of electing a tory. in the end there was a weeny 0,8% swing from labour to liberal in my constituency. but i don't feel cheated. I wasn't voting for liberals to win.
i would be surprised if clegg makes a deal with the tories, but not let down as i've never been a 'lib dem supporter' outwith the context of how i voted on thursday in my constituency.
My personal hope that what will happen is that we'll muddle along with Cameron hamstrung in a minority government, treading water and making no mark - looking incompetant due to his lack of mandate, and have another election in six months' time, by which time labour will have transformed into a non-scumbag party with an electable leader and more exciting and back-able policies so I can vote for them. I make no claims to socialism except by degree - i don't believe in revolution.
i would be surprised if clegg makes a deal with the tories, but not let down as i've never been a 'lib dem supporter' outwith the context of how i voted on thursday in my constituency.
My personal hope that what will happen is that we'll muddle along with Cameron hamstrung in a minority government, treading water and making no mark - looking incompetant due to his lack of mandate, and have another election in six months' time, by which time labour will have transformed into a non-scumbag party with an electable leader and more exciting and back-able policies so I can vote for them. I make no claims to socialism except by degree - i don't believe in revolution.
scifisam
feck! arse! girls! drink!
How about the Labour and Tory voters?
I really don't get all the crowing from people who can hardly be happy with the results either. Hell, even if you reckon that people were hoping for change and now there's going to be none ... that's hardly something to be jubilant about, is it?
panpete
Blokes name, birds body.
A bit cheated, because like I said in another thread, I feel as if my vote has gone to the tories.
However, a certain percentage of lib dem mp's have to agree with clegg if he decides to team up with cameron.
Plus there were some differences in cleggs and camerons proposed policies, for instance
Clegg wants rid of trident
His immigration policies are different
He dosent agree with longer jail sentences for crime as he sees prisons as colleges of crime.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
You think Clegg gives a fuck about the 'national interest'?
It's very naive to think that is his motivation.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
How about the Labour and Tory voters?
I really don't get all the crowing from people who can hardly be happy with the results either. Hell, even if you reckon that people were hoping for change and now there's going to be none ... that's hardly something to be jubilant about, is it?
Guilt turns to anger
How about the Labour and Tory voters?
I really don't get all the crowing from people who can hardly be happy with the results either. Hell, even if you reckon that people were hoping for change and now there's going to be none ... that's hardly something to be jubilant about, is it?
I wanted a straight forward Tory majority but its highly amusing to see people who only voted Lib Dem because they thought they were being clever to see that their votes might have actually helped the Conservatives come to power.
The only thing more loathesome than a floating voter is a tactical one.
Proper Tidy
Arsed
How about the Labour and Tory voters?
I really don't get all the crowing from people who can hardly be happy with the results either. Hell, even if you reckon that people were hoping for change and now there's going to be none ... that's hardly something to be jubilant about, is it?
I'm only joking. There isn't a substantial difference between the three. I'm happy to also line up the Tory and Labour voters so they can call themselves twats and we can say we know you are, too.
Although the liberal left uniting behind the Wibberals seemingly because of one or two abstract policies whilst ignoring their economic position and their toryism, only for the Liberals to flop and to then seek to prop up a Tory government, is very amusing.
claphamboy
The wheels on the bus go round and round....
I only have access to the same information you do, I don’t have a crystal ball.
As I said, I am sure it'll be available via google soon. I am equally sure that you can both use google, which will provide the answers to the questions you asked.
The fact will remain that more people support a Tory/Lib option than a Lib/Lab one.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
We've only got what you've posted. If it's on google you have it, so post it.
mrsfran
Well-Known Member
How about the Labour and Tory voters?
I really don't get all the crowing from people who can hardly be happy with the results either. Hell, even if you reckon that people were hoping for change and now there's going to be none ... that's hardly something to be jubilant about, is it?
This. I voted Lib Dem and am a bit fed up with the crowing being directed at people who did. I'm not thrilled with the result, but I remain ok with the fact that I did not vote for Labour or the Conservatives, two parties I do not currently support. I voted Lib Dem because I wanted to register a vote for change. I voted positively, with hope, rather than with an "anyone but the Tories even if it means voting for a party I don't like" attitude.
And now I think the best possible outcome is that the Tories try for a minority government without the Libs Dems, fuck it up, and within a year we get a Lab/Lib coalition that includes electoral reform.
claphamboy
The wheels on the bus go round and round....
And the only thing more loathesome than both of those are twats like you.
scifisam
feck! arse! girls! drink!
You know full well that I feel neither guilty nor angry.
I think that's what I'm leaning towards too - the Tories probably wouldn't be able to make too many big changes in under a year, after all.
claphamboy
The wheels on the bus go round and round....
Fuck me - I said it was NOT on google.
You have a computer, you have access to the BBC News Channel, I've only posted what they have transmitted.
If you don't believe it or refuse to accept it that's your problem, there's no point demanding from me information I don't have.
FiFi
Hot Cross Bunny
How do I feel?
About as fed up as I have since Clegg started chuntering on about being able to work with the Torys if they got the most votes and/or seats.
However Iwould still vote LibDem again because the local boy has a reasonable voting record.
(And- he's not the Tory!)
My principled reason for LibDem being my default voting position in a general election is the issue of PR, and now it looks as though they are going to throw away their best chance ever of making the case for it to the country.
I think that is what is most disappointing today
About as fed up as I have since Clegg started chuntering on about being able to work with the Torys if they got the most votes and/or seats.
However Iwould still vote LibDem again because the local boy has a reasonable voting record.
(And- he's not the Tory!)
My principled reason for LibDem being my default voting position in a general election is the issue of PR, and now it looks as though they are going to throw away their best chance ever of making the case for it to the country.
I think that is what is most disappointing today
Vintage Paw
dead stare and computer glare
It's natural there will be an element of 'crowing', or whatever you want to call it.
There was a certain element among some LibDem voters* in the lead up to the election of self-righteousness, in the vein of 'look at me, I'm dead radical I am'. When asked about the neo-liberal economics, the various tory-like aspects of their policies, their history, etc., the response was usually in line with the fluffy-wuffy spin that attracts people who want to be progressive but don't want to do it outside of the big 3 - socially progressive policies trumping neo-liberal economic realities within the party.
When some of these people work out things aren't what they first thought (despite having had it suggested to them beforehand) it's pretty natural the people for whom it was bleedingly obvious, and for those people who tried to argue it, to crow. People are petty, and they like to say I told you so. It doesn't mean they're happy with the current political situation, but they're quite pleased with themselves that at least they didn't pretend things were anything other than they are beforehand.
*I'M NOT SAYING THIS IS ANYONE ON THIS THREAD, BEFORE I AM SHOUTED AT.
There was a certain element among some LibDem voters* in the lead up to the election of self-righteousness, in the vein of 'look at me, I'm dead radical I am'. When asked about the neo-liberal economics, the various tory-like aspects of their policies, their history, etc., the response was usually in line with the fluffy-wuffy spin that attracts people who want to be progressive but don't want to do it outside of the big 3 - socially progressive policies trumping neo-liberal economic realities within the party.
When some of these people work out things aren't what they first thought (despite having had it suggested to them beforehand) it's pretty natural the people for whom it was bleedingly obvious, and for those people who tried to argue it, to crow. People are petty, and they like to say I told you so. It doesn't mean they're happy with the current political situation, but they're quite pleased with themselves that at least they didn't pretend things were anything other than they are beforehand.
*I'M NOT SAYING THIS IS ANYONE ON THIS THREAD, BEFORE I AM SHOUTED AT.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
The whole fucking spin was we're radical -we're change
scifisam
feck! arse! girls! drink!
The LibDem politicians were claiming that, if they got in, that'd be a vote for change, and really it would have - the first time in ages that a party other than Labour or Tory was in power and a likely change to proportional representation. It's not exactly anarchy or a revolution, but it would be a definite change. If they won. They didn't.
But they didn't claim to be radical. They're the LibDems, cosy middle-of-the-road people - it'd be weird for them to ever claim to be radical.
I agree with missfran.
But on the Tory minority government, I'd be a bit worried that if they, or anyone else for that matter, fucked it up that the markets might get spooked. And if that happened we could find ourselves going down the toilet rather sharpish, much like the PIIGS.
But on the Tory minority government, I'd be a bit worried that if they, or anyone else for that matter, fucked it up that the markets might get spooked. And if that happened we could find ourselves going down the toilet rather sharpish, much like the PIIGS.
mrsfran
Well-Known Member
Same here. I didn't tell anyone I was going to vote Lib Dem, in order to stave off lectures about wasted votes.
Did you genuinely, really meet actual people who claimed they were being radical by voting Lib Dem? Who was it?
scifisam
feck! arse! girls! drink!
yeah, all the libdem voting youngsters i know seemed to think it was the radical option. despite that we live in a city where the lib dems have been propping up a minority tory administration for 5 years...
Really? You sure? I mean, did any of them ever claim it was a radical choice or anything with a similar meaning?
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Oh fuck off you want a formal signed decleration or something?
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