Undercover policing enquiry
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Met brief said a “witch-hunt” of officers would deter future covert sources and recruits.
I thought the former Social Worker Party had a patent on calling everything inconvenient a “witch-hunt” ?
dylanredefined
Not a house elf a tiger
If the organisation the met infiltrated have the goal of shutting vital uk infrastructure down then yes the met should infiltrate it whatever cause they are doing it for. Those are illegal acts and the police have a duty to stop them.
dylanredefined
Not a house elf a tiger
Unless their is a threat to the officers and their families lives in revealing their identity and unless the officer had gone on to go undercover with people who would seek violent revenge they are having a laugh.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
don't talk shit. i think 'vital national infrastructure' in the shape of nuclear power stations should be shut down and millions of people agree with me. but you seem to be saying in the 80s the police should have infiltrated the tory party
dylanredefined
Not a house elf a tiger
Honestly couldn't have hurt.
Protesting that nuclear power stations are shit and need to go is fine. If their are concerns they going to scale fences and shut them down themselves
yeah it is a legitimate concern. As soon as they find any action planned is not going to cause another Chernobyl they should pack up and go home.
free spirit
more tea vicar?
oddly though, the only organisation that actually did come relatively close to shutting down a significant part of the UK national infrastructure in this period wasn't infiltrated, kettled etc and the government rapidly capitulated to their demands.
That organisation being those behind the fuel tax protest movement that blockaded fuel depots and refineries, ending up with the government ending the fuel tax escalator.
So environmental protestors get infiltrated, have thousands of police sent against them, whereas anti-environmental protestors get left to nearly bring the country to a halt so that the government can have an excuse to scrap an environmental measure.
This is politically motivated policing.
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Oddly enough, I remember a full-page Fail howl of anger at the possibility that it might be infiltrated... Pretty sure it's linked here somewhere.
dylanredefined
Not a house elf a tiger
Maybe they would have if it had stuck around long enough or they had an inkling they would be able to do so much damage so quickly.
likesfish
You can't park here sir
Labour's tough tactics to halt fuel protest
They got slapped quite hard.
The assorted leftie groups were never that effective and didnt really require the level of policing needed one thing to have a very close look another to actually start an op.
But to continue it when theirs nothing of value being achieved
They got slapped quite hard.
The assorted leftie groups were never that effective and didnt really require the level of policing needed one thing to have a very close look another to actually start an op.
But to continue it when theirs nothing of value being achieved
1%er
Well-Known Member
Scotland Yard is reinvestigating a 1987 firebomb attack after it was linked to allegations about a disbanded undercover police unit. In a statement, the Metropolitan Police said it was pursuing lines of inquiry linked to the incident at a Debenhams department store in north London. It said new evidence had emerged during a review of undercover operations.
I'm sure they'll find Bob Lambert didn't do it (I see it is also covered in another thread)
I'm sure they'll find Bob Lambert didn't do it (I see it is also covered in another thread)
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
Even if he did they'll let him off. But they'll decide that he didn't do it anyway, because of the shitstorm it would unleash if he had.
Not sure why they bother pretending to investigate really.
I will of course gladly eat these words if the cunt does get sent down for arson, but that's beyond unlikely.
Not all the left wing groups spied on were non violent. This does not excuse in any way the relationships but the animal rights movement was not 100% non violent in the 1980s.
dylanredefined
Not a house elf a tiger
Undercover work means you may have to commit a crime to maintain your cover. The animal rights lot deserved to be infiltrated if Bob didn't do it one of the others would and Bob might have been kicked out. Now if Bob decided to encourage the others to bomb debenhams built the bomb himself etc yes the met have to come up with some answers.
1%er
Well-Known Member
I was kind of taking the piss when I said "'I'm sure they'll find Bob Lambert didn't do it" The police almost always protect their own.
As to your point above "Undercover work means you may have to commit a crime to maintain your cover" I think you are wrong, the police do not have any right to commit crime, they are there to uphold the law. Any undercover police officer will fully understand that at some point in the future they may well be called as a witness in a court-case, if it can be proved that they themselves committed crimes they would have little or no credibility as a witness and their evidence would be tainted. That is why if you are ever going to commit a crime with someone you are not 100% sure of, you should make them do some illegal before you act with them.
likesfish
You can't park here sir
Well it depends if its police work i.e. Intending to get you arressted or spook work where an "executive action" may be an option the (latest euthanisum for sate sanctioned killing).
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Or other means of removing you.
Probably why the far right arnt involved they either are keeping their heads down being guilty as fuck or dead ditch in a ditch somewhere. the far right being much more likely to attempt to get hold of weapons bombs etc.
More because they like the weapons than for ideological reasons
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If you go to eastern europe intending to by arms and somebody tells the people you intend to buy them offoff your a tout for the security services chances are your not coming back.*
* it would be illegal and possibly immoral to tell shady eastern european arms dealers that nazis are touting for mi5 so if you are a spook contemplating that dont get caught
.Or other means of removing you.
Probably why the far right arnt involved they either are keeping their heads down being guilty as fuck or dead ditch in a ditch somewhere. the far right being much more likely to attempt to get hold of weapons bombs etc.
More because they like the weapons than for ideological reasons
.If you go to eastern europe intending to by arms and somebody tells the people you intend to buy them offoff your a tout for the security services chances are your not coming back.
** it would be illegal and possibly immoral to tell shady eastern european arms dealers that nazis are touting for mi5 so if you are a spook contemplating that dont get caught
dylanredefined
Not a house elf a tiger
Spooks types are a law unto themselves ends justifying the means type as we havee seen. I don't know if they thought they were actually protecting the uk from evil ,or just thought they were on a nice little number at the tax payers expense. I'm not sure which is worse a police force so divorced from reality that anyone who isn't for the status quo must be crushed. Or a cynical corrupt force that will use any excuse to play spook games no matter the cost to individuals who get fucked over or the tax payer.
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
Solidarity picket demanding police disclose evidence
solidarity picket at 11am on june. - its very good, the continuing conflation of all spying on activists/people as #spycops - good hashtag - (even when its the spooks doing the naughty stuff) - particularly as this falls on the same day the #snooperscharter debated in parliment. (charter thsat will give police spook powers to snoop on computers and importantly, use as evicence as opposed to intelligence) -
more power to their elbow i say viva la revolution
solidarity picket at 11am on june. - its very good, the continuing conflation of all spying on activists/people as #spycops - good hashtag - (even when its the spooks doing the naughty stuff) - particularly as this falls on the same day the #snooperscharter debated in parliment. (charter thsat will give police spook powers to snoop on computers and importantly, use as evicence as opposed to intelligence) -
more power to their elbow i say viva la revolution
Bernie Gunther
Fundamentalist Druid
How much of that violence was orchestrated by undercover cops though?
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
So what?
They spy on us because they recognise our power, and fear it this fucking wanker
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he report also mentions the huge trust placed in a secret central group at Climate Camp who worked on the small number of issues that couldn’t be publicised. This something still very much in evidence, replicated in Climate Camp’s successor, Reclaim the Power, but with a new democratising twist that makes it extremely difficult for the police to get advance warning of actions.
The process is called “activist speed dating” – people fill in forms about their abilities and preferences, then they are matched up in a group with others of a similar level. Each group is given a relevant target but have autonomy about what the action will be. It’s a conscious, creative response that balances openness with effectiveness."
tosser
"
he report also mentions the huge trust placed in a secret central group at Climate Camp who worked on the small number of issues that couldn’t be publicised. This something still very much in evidence, replicated in Climate Camp’s successor, Reclaim the Power, but with a new democratising twist that makes it extremely difficult for the police to get advance warning of actions.
The process is called “activist speed dating” – people fill in forms about their abilities and preferences, then they are matched up in a group with others of a similar level. Each group is given a relevant target but have autonomy about what the action will be. It’s a conscious, creative response that balances openness with effectiveness."
tosser
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Something I agree with you about. He's definitely a tosser, and not a very nice human being, either.
Campaign opposing POLICE surveillance - POLICE spies out of lies - what about opposing surveillance by any of the nefarious state actors and all spies out of lives... do some people find it insulting that its the dibble following em around befriending them rather than some secret squirrell super security service spy? - - even banging on about lynn watson and that being on the same road as one of the 7/7 bombers.
my point being these self-appointed gate keepers, having there orchestrated outings, its a . well, ill come out and say it, its bloody five isnt it, and six probably, these #spycops were treading on toes, ACPO was trying to muscle in on big boy international espionage games, - your man pitchford has made clear this is an enquiry concerning only police - viz - the fella who said he was in a meeting with an outed mi5 man - no core participation for you sunny jim that was five this is police, like they werent all in it together. - even though this #spycop hashtag iv seen applied to mi5 fbi historic secret service organizations. all while the #ipbill which will increase the polices computer snooping powers loadsfold is going completely unprotested.-
well, im doing my vigil overnight will pop along to this for an hour, then back to westminster, - somebody has to not let this pass without comment.
i know bloody loads of spies in the movement (fair few called mark as well) but sorry KF their the wrong sort of spies.
cunt in that article banging on about climate camp and activist speed dating? are they taking the piss? everybody fills out a form and provides all their details and we sort them out- buzzword- autonomy, we know about climate camp, kennedys role in the bgg, festivals, the little retirement homes bought by this radical routes.
bunch of cunts.
yeah im just pissed off (rather than mystified, as a casual observer of the protest millieau would be ) that no one has done any physical offline, or even really online agitation against the snoopers charter, liberty privacy international anonymous all couldv called a protest, - even the people in print, lefty journos - im sure they will have some stuff after the fact- but the critiscim mainly come from the tech-side.
i hope there is a bit of stuntism tommorrow by somebody (i expect there may be) - but this is gonna effect activism/forum posting/unpopular opinion holding more than anything.
SO, if anyone wants to come down, tommorrow monday @ 7 through tuesday til it rains, we are having an auction of some first edition john le carres, some red wine with fish, a general moan, skirmish with the czek intelligence, healthy debate - bring a camping chair -
yeah i kind of know now that a demonstration outside of MI5 is unthinkable (apparantly) but the 2 day discussion of bringing in the tightest fucking surveillance (or legitimising the most over-zealous surveillance) to go unremarked/
well that says something about the calibre of the activists doesnt it.
rant over- see you down there folks, bring your own poisons.
my point being these self-appointed gate keepers, having there orchestrated outings, its a . well, ill come out and say it, its bloody five isnt it, and six probably, these #spycops were treading on toes, ACPO was trying to muscle in on big boy international espionage games, - your man pitchford has made clear this is an enquiry concerning only police - viz - the fella who said he was in a meeting with an outed mi5 man - no core participation for you sunny jim that was five this is police, like they werent all in it together. - even though this #spycop hashtag iv seen applied to mi5 fbi historic secret service organizations. all while the #ipbill which will increase the polices computer snooping powers loadsfold is going completely unprotested.-
well, im doing my vigil overnight will pop along to this for an hour, then back to westminster, - somebody has to not let this pass without comment.
i know bloody loads of spies in the movement (fair few called mark as well) but sorry KF their the wrong sort of spies.
cunt in that article banging on about climate camp and activist speed dating? are they taking the piss? everybody fills out a form and provides all their details and we sort them out- buzzword- autonomy, we know about climate camp, kennedys role in the bgg, festivals, the little retirement homes bought by this radical routes.
bunch of cunts.
yeah im just pissed off (rather than mystified, as a casual observer of the protest millieau would be ) that no one has done any physical offline, or even really online agitation against the snoopers charter, liberty privacy international anonymous all couldv called a protest, - even the people in print, lefty journos - im sure they will have some stuff after the fact- but the critiscim mainly come from the tech-side.
i hope there is a bit of stuntism tommorrow by somebody (i expect there may be) - but this is gonna effect activism/forum posting/unpopular opinion holding more than anything.
SO, if anyone wants to come down, tommorrow monday @ 7 through tuesday til it rains, we are having an auction of some first edition john le carres, some red wine with fish, a general moan, skirmish with the czek intelligence, healthy debate - bring a camping chair -
yeah i kind of know now that a demonstration outside of MI5 is unthinkable (apparantly) but the 2 day discussion of bringing in the tightest fucking surveillance (or legitimising the most over-zealous surveillance) to go unremarked/
well that says something about the calibre of the activists doesnt it.
rant over- see you down there folks, bring your own poisons.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
7. On June 7.
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