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yes you did, just like you spent half the syria thread insisting the jihadists werent jihadists. Next thing youll be on the rat thread insisting theyre only hamsters.

No, I said the people cheering the statue coming down weren't all fascists, just a crowd of protesters. You're doing the same thing here as on the Syria thread. Everyone who opposed Assad from the start is a jihadist al queda member according to you, and every Ukrainian against Yanukovych is a Nazi, It's just bollocks.
 
No, I said the people cheering the statue coming down weren't all fascists, just a crowd of protesters. You're doing the same thing here as on the Syria thread. Everyone who opposed Assad from the start is a jihadist al queda member according to you, and every Ukrainian against Yanukovych is a Nazi, It's just bollocks.

they were fascists you plonker
 
no offence but the entire tone of that report seems seriously biased and hysterical . Exactly what youd expect from the likes of the seriously discreditted by now Al jazeera . Cops arresting injured rioters, cops telling the media they cant interview detained rioters ?? oh..thats really sinister..they must be killing them all....
Aye not like that bastion of truth and integrity RT eh? :D
 
I thought that this was interesting. British and West German intelligence services apparently have a long history of working with fascists in Ukraine

http://hnn.us/article/122778

But the rest of the story, much of which is revealed in CIA records released in 2007, reveals irony in Yushchenko’s award. After the war Bandera lived in Munich. British intelligence used him to help run agents into Ukraine to gather intelligence and to help the Ukrainian underground against the Soviets. The CIA used some of Bandera’s former cronies for similar reasons, but never used Bandera himself, owing to Bandera’s infatuation with his own legend. “Bandera,” said one CIA report from 1948, “is by nature a political intransigent of great personal ambition [who] has…opposed all political organizations in the emigration which favor a representative form of government in the Ukraine, as opposed to a mono-party, OUN/Bandera regime.”

Owing to his self-promotion in print and on West German radio, Bandera remained popular with thousands of Ukrainian émigrés in West Germany. His superficial effectiveness prompted West German intelligence (the BND) to establish contact in 1956. By 1959 the BND was helping Bandera to run a new generation of Ukrainian agents from West Germany into the USSR. General Reinhard Gehlen, the head of the BND, had lead German Army intelligence in the USSR during the war. He and his subordinates were surely familiar with Bandera’s wartime record. They were less familiar with the fact that the BND was by now thoroughly penetrated with Soviet agents. On October 14, 1959, Bandera had lunch with senior BND officials to discuss the expansion of operations in Ukraine. The next day the KGB assassinated Bandera in his apartment building
 
I thought that this was interesting. British and West German intelligence services apparently have a long history of working with fascists in Ukraine

http://hnn.us/article/122778

From thon link:

"In his book Erased (2007), Omer Bartov discusses the large bronze statue of Bandera that stands in a park in the east Galician town of Drohobych, most of whose 15,000 Jews were murdered. The park stands on the site of the town’s former Jewish ghetto, but there is not so much as a plaque in the park to memorialize the Jewish dead."

:facepalm:
 
From thon link:

"In his book Erased (2007), Omer Bartov discusses the large bronze statue of Bandera that stands in a park in the east Galician town of Drohobych, most of whose 15,000 Jews were murdered. The park stands on the site of the town’s former Jewish ghetto, but there is not so much as a plaque in the park to memorialize the Jewish dead."

:facepalm:

yeah these sort of cunts (ukrainian nationalists) was who yushchenko was involved with.
 
Really interesting read/listen with a crap title:

Ukrainian anarchist dispels myths surrounding Euromaidan protests and warns of fascist influence

Few things:

The current form of protests are a cultural struggle with both sides on what would be considered at very least the conservative right socially and politically. Don't buy the idea that the 'pro-eu' forces, not even the no-fascist ones are educated socially liberal in the way that western europe liberal progressives tend to be - in fact Svoboda get a lot of support from the educated middle class in urban areas precisely because they're seen as non-nonsense authoritarians who will - physically if need be - deal with the corruption and gays and so on. This leaves very little space for class issues to be put forward, and if they are the far-right have so many rank and file activists on the ground they can isolate and push away (again, physically if need be) any class or left wing elements. (May change over coming year as economic situation worsens). Large capital in the govt side is pro-eu are the media moguls. Ruling class split over many issues.
 
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Can anyone identify that symbol?

http://zyalt.livejournal.com/984735.html

That's the middle bit of the UNA-UNSO logo
http://i.imgur.com/YMclxVP.gif
 
I thought that this was interesting. British and West German intelligence services apparently have a long history of working with fascists in Ukraine

http://hnn.us/article/122778

The British state gave over 7000 of those Ukranian Waffen SS bastards refuge shortly after the war . The subject of the Galician division has come up a number of times when Ive been talking to Poles and the atrocities they were involved in are just abominable . And the UK government still keep their identities a closely guarded secret . The so called Rimini list remains firmly under lock and key to this day.

http://www.ukrainiansintheuk.info/eng/01/former-e.htm
 
No, I said the people cheering the statue coming down weren't all fascists, just a crowd of protesters. You're doing the same thing here as on the Syria thread. Everyone who opposed Assad from the start is a jihadist al queda member according to you, and every Ukrainian against Yanukovych is a Nazi, It's just bollocks.


A fascist organisation claimed responsibility for demolishing it . Youve absolutely no way of knowing they arent fascists standing there cheering on fascists. So your talking out of your hole.

. And I said no such thing at all about Syria . I said, correctly , that AQ, Saudi et al were directly involved in fomenting the disturbances, and that AQ were there on the ground from the very start . All of which was and is true . And which you dismissed.
Within a laughably short space of time your secular moderates had signed up en masse to AQ. I was spot on in my analysis of them. Just as I am about your fictitious moderates running about Ukraine.
 
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http://euobserver.com/foreign/122877

EU Council chief Herman Van Rompuy has blamed Ukrainian authorities for “destabilisng” Ukraine, as protests fan out to the east and west of Kiev.

The Belgian politician, who chairs EU summits, spoke in Warsaw on Saturday (24 January) alongside Polish Prime Minister Donald Tusk.

“I strongly deplore and condemn the unjustified use of force and brutality by the Ukrainian authorities against demonstrators - with the vast majority still being peaceful demonstrators,” he said.

“Recent restrictions on fundamental freedoms … will only further destabilise the country,” he added.

Insane.
 
A fascist organisation claimed responsibility for demolishing it . Youve absolutely no way of knowing they arent fascists standing there cheering on fascists. So your talking out of your hole..

And you've no way of knowing they are all fascists either. More fantasy stuff from you.

. And I said no such thing at all about Syria . I said, correctly , that AQ, Saudi et al were directly involved in fomenting the disturbances, and that AQ were there on the ground from the very start . All of which was and is true . And which you dismissed.
Within a laughably short space of time your secular moderates had signed up en masse to AQ. I was spot on in my analysis of them. Just as I am about your fictitious moderates running about Ukraine.

Yep, the entire Arab spring funded by AQ and Saudi. You spend so much time on Nazi websites and Syria atrocity porn it's obviously affecting your outlook on the world. No wonder you're so deranged.
 
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