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All this is in parentheses as it refers to something earlier in the day. There is no rational reason for a continuation.

frogwoman said:
your statements about Israel etc have [. . .]
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Those of my comments concerning the maligning of Ukrainians who identify as Jews or who are treated as Jews were made solely because of what was happening & what the effects may be. This might have had an effect on Palestine, & sure enough it has (the links posted by others - not me). In some of my comments on Ukraine I have indeed spoken to this, as is relevant for this thread.

You say, "I do find it a bit annoying that there's always someone who immediately starts up about Israel and Palestine", but that does not apply to my comments here, as the record shows. It's not me who's combing the world's news media for such items; my focus & interest has been on the broad processes at work.

'Judaic', rather than its quasi-synonym 'Jewish', is to emphasise two things. (1), the group in Ukraine (& elsewhere) that we are talking about has as a necessary constituent, a necessary involvement with, a religion, Judaism. As Akiva Orr has pointed out, Judaism is unlike Christianity & Islam in that it is not, & does not aspire to be, a universal religion, one of & for humanity as a whole. It therefore makes Judaism a necessary aspect of creating & re-creating a distinct group of individuals described as being Jews. This is as true in Ukraine as it is elsewhere. (2), most of the proponents of the nationalism called Zionism have been atheists or agnostics, & some of them have repeatedly tried to devise an ideology & practice independent of religiosity, & have always failed - not least coz of the necessity just identified.

J Ed said:
the way you write [. . .]
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"Judaic-Israeli supremacism": all ruling is a supremacy. Since classes arose it has necessarily been classed (feudal, capitalist), it has been gendered (patriarchal, matriarchal), & sometimes coloured, ethnicised, or religioised-ethnicised (white supremacy, Afrikaans supremacy, Judaic-Israeli supremacy). All very accurate, all very warranted.

"Khazar theory" wasn't mentioned by me. However, as you know, historiography & historical inquiry is something rational people engage with.

As far as the authors & org'n you mentioned, I have never read them. But Stormfront is a fascist org'n, which is the opposite of my politics.
 
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Just watched Devils Double about the poor unfortunate who had to become the Saddam's psychopathic son, Uday, he did live in incredible luxury, the best of (western) everything, a monster who is best gone.
 
Mustn't grumble said:
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All this is in parentheses as it refers to something earlier in the day. There is no rational reason for a continuation.


Those of my comments concerning the maligning of Ukrainians who identify as Jews or who are treated as Jews were made solely because of what was happening & what the effects may be. This might have had an effect on Palestine, & sure enough it has (the links posted by others - not me). In some of my comments on Ukraine I have indeed spoken to this, as is relevant for this thread.

You say, "I do find it a bit annoying that there's always someone who immediately starts up about Israel and Palestine", but that does not apply to my comments here, as the record shows. It's not me who's combing the world's news media for such items; my focus & interest has been on the broad processes at work.

'Judaic', rather than its quasi-synonym 'Jewish', is to emphasise two things. (1), the group in Ukraine (& elsewhere) that we are talking about has as a necessary constituent, a necessary involvement with, a religion, Judaism. As Akiva Orr has pointed out, Judaism is unlike Christianity & Islam in that it is not, & does not aspire to be, a universal religion, one of & for humanity as a whole. It therefore makes Judaism a necessary aspect of creating & re-creating a distinct group of individuals described as being Jews. This is as true in Ukraine as it is elsewhere. (2), most of the proponents of the nationalism called Zionism have been atheists or agnostics, & some of them have repeatedly tried to devise an ideology & practice independent of religiosity, & have always failed - not least coz of the necessity just identified.


"Judaic-Israeli supremacism": all ruling is a supremacy. Since classes arose it has necessarily been classed (feudal, capitalist), it has been gendered (patriarchal, matriarchal), & sometimes coloured, ethnicised, or religioised-ethnicised (white supremacy, Afrikaans supremacy, Judaic-Israeli supremacy). All very accurate, all very warranted.

"Khazar theory" wasn't mentioned by me. However, as you know, historiography & historical inquiry is something rational people engage with.

As far as the authors & org'n you mentioned, I have never read them. But Stormfront is a fascist org'n, which is the opposite of my politics.
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Stop writing like a fucking weirdo.
 
Mustn't grumble said:
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All this is in parentheses as it refers to something earlier in the day. There is no rational reason for a continuation.


Those of my comments concerning the maligning of Ukrainians who identify as Jews or who are treated as Jews were made solely because of what was happening & what the effects may be. This might have had an effect on Palestine, & sure enough it has (the links posted by others - not me). In some of my comments on Ukraine I have indeed spoken to this, as is relevant for this thread.

You say, "I do find it a bit annoying that there's always someone who immediately starts up about Israel and Palestine", but that does not apply to my comments here, as the record shows. It's not me who's combing the world's news media for such items; my focus & interest has been on the broad processes at work.

'Judaic', rather than its quasi-synonym 'Jewish', is to emphasise two things. (1), the group in Ukraine (& elsewhere) that we are talking about has as a necessary constituent, a necessary involvement with, a religion, Judaism. As Akiva Orr has pointed out, Judaism is unlike Christianity & Islam in that it is not, & does not aspire to be, a universal religion, one of & for humanity as a whole. It therefore makes Judaism a necessary aspect of creating & re-creating a distinct group of individuals described as being Jews. This is as true in Ukraine as it is elsewhere. (2), most of the proponents of the nationalism called Zionism have been atheists or agnostics, & some of them have repeatedly tried to devise an ideology & practice independent of religiosity, & have always failed - not least coz of the necessity just identified.


"Judaic-Israeli supremacism": all ruling is a supremacy. Since classes arose it has necessarily been classed (feudal, capitalist), it has been gendered (patriarchal, matriarchal), & sometimes coloured, ethnicised, or religioised-ethnicised (white supremacy, Afrikaans supremacy, Judaic-Israeli supremacy). All very accurate, all very warranted.

"Khazar theory" wasn't mentioned by me. However, as you know, historiography & historical inquiry is something rational people engage with.

As far as the authors & org'n you mentioned, I have never read them. But Stormfront is a fascist org'n, which is the opposite of my politics.
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it not about you.
 
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From The Mirror, the 'glam' shots begin, though there doesn't seem to have been many as mostly middle aged fat blokes on the Maidan,

is that a far right bandana?
 
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A slightly cautionary quote Im seeing all over the web, purported to come from a nazi outfit by the name of Wotan Jugend, who apparently have branches in Ukraine, Russia and the Czech republic and whove been active in the insurrection .
"Leaderless resistance What is happening now in Kiev - is a lesson, a lesson to all those who so eagerly watching national revolution taking place in Ukraine, blowing drool with envy at the keyboard."

Apparently this is the same outfit that Ukranian student who murdered that elderly man in Birmingham and planted bombs was linked to.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn.../Supremacist-inspired-by-Oklahoma-bomber.html

note too the furious denials from all and sundry that a mad murdering fascist bastard is anything other than a nice cuddly guy

Anyways , Id say fash everywhere are cock a hoop tonight . Its a massive boost to them morale wise right accross europe
 
But still, this divide does exist, and by the way it was the main reason why in Ukraine the ruling class failed to establish an authoritarian regime in the mould of Russia or Belarus: it ensured that no politician has ever had support from the majority of the population. Therefore, they had to balance and make concessions to the weak working class: bourgeois democracy was retained, and welfare state elements are much more generous than in Russia.
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From the Roar mag interview

they won't be for much longer if the IMF has its way.
 
Russia has now recalled its ambassador to Ukraine...for consultations . Unsure whether thats ominous or not . Mind you pretty much everything Ukraine related is ominous just now .
 
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I fear that poor Mr Yanukovych will serve a little longer than that if they catch him.
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From what Im seeing it looks like even his own nominal support base would happily string him up now as well . Basically for his incompetence and cowardice . They certainly got what they voted for with that turkey . Suspect the Russians would happily put him in a hole now too .
 
I'm seeing a lot of media that suggests Putin still has the ability to broker power here; that can't be right can it? There's no chance of an invasion and short of that only option is to finance Crimean groups etc.
 
ukranian flags being burnt and russian soviet anthems being played in Sevastopol, pretty massive crowds too



the regions that arent recognising kievs authority actually comprise over 50 percent of the Ukranian population. And the Kiev crowd certainly arent talking the language of compromise or rapprochment with them . This definitely cant end well.
 
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