Ukraine

[Casually Red]

that guy with the blue sheet of paper..he looks like hes doing something to himself..seriously

 

[stowpirate]

Interesting link between Erich Koch & Viktor Yanukovych. They owned the same property and had similar strings attached. Next will be the trail and imprisonment.

 

[teqniq]

Lots of incriminating pics and links to stories about bribes centred around Yankovych on this Twitter feed

https://twitter.com/ilyamuz

from the feed:

http://www.pravda.com.ua/news/2014/02/22/7015880/

 

[Spanky Longhorn]

the Freedom MP missed a trick: he should have said there will be positive discrimination for Jewish kids. But I doubt if that would have been enough to get the JC on board.

Not keen on the Jews are you?

 

[rekil]

I'm all for a bit of off topic banter but there's a lot of unnecessary shit cluttering up the thread.

WW2 memorial removed in Lviv.

 

[SpineyNorman]

We'd welcome them in Tottenham.

I'd rather none went on the Magic Carpet to an eastern Palestine colony.

I've already had to tell you to stop being a penis once before. This is the second time. Be warned - I operate a three strikes rule when it comes to being a penis.

 

[frogwoman]

I'm all for a bit of off topic banter but there's a lot of unnecessary shit cluttering up the thread.

WW2 memorial removed in Lviv.

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[Belushi]

Those Soviet war memorials are often unpopular.

The Viennese refer to the enormous one in their City as 'the memorial to the unknown rapist'

 

[seventh bullet]

A place for wedding parties to lay flowers and take snaps as well.

 

[Eastern-Odyssey]

I thought this was interesting Channel 4 news last night 3.27 "you will all be dead if you don't sign".



I also find it interesting how this is being played down as not a coup in the media, when it clearly is. Removing the right wing elements, they are forming a coalition government with no opposition members, appointing their own people and passing laws with most pro-Russian politician's having fled to the East, or being clearly under duress. I'm interested to see how this law on banning the Party of Regions and the Ukraine Communist Party goes, being put forward by the leader of the Radical Party, because this not only would eliminate all opposition, but they don't even have to worry about winning the March elections.

 

[frogwoman]

A place for wedding parties to lay flowers and take snaps as well.

Yep, there are usually parks around them too to go and bring your kids etc.

 

[seventh bullet]

It was a popular Soviet tradition and it's survived. I've witnessed it a couple of times in Russia (from across the road etc). Newly-weds drop flowers, have their photos taken and then into the car for a piss-up somewhere, no doubt. I think for a lot of people it's just one of those things that gets done on your wedding day, rather than having any real patriotic meaning.

 

[Eastern-Odyssey]

Interesting update Yanukovych has been impeached by the Rada and now Turchynov from the Fatherland Party has been appointed president http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oleksandr_Turchynov. However, Right Sector seem to not like Turchynov to much and refuse to stand down until the Party of Regions and the Ukraine Communist Party are banned. This is a very interesting article on the situation http://zn.ua/UKRAINE/pravyy-sektor-i-spilna-sprava-ne-sobirayutsya-uhodit-s-maydana-139536_.html. Interesting part in his quote "И это только начало" meaning after the parties are banned etc "this is only the beginning".

Interestingly it's Defend the Fatherland Day in Russia, so I wonder how this news is going down in Eastern Ukraine.

 

[butchersapron]

In Tunisia, if i remember right, things became bogged down in official battles about banning the then ruling party, helped to defuse the situation on the street and slowly but surely moved the centre of legitimacy back the politicians and the state.

 

[pocketscience]

probably worth remembering theres 15 nuclear reactors dotted round Ukraine . Dont mean to be a worry wart but in a divided, skint and leaderless country with no government, taking on the appearance of a failed state, with hordes of armed nazis rampaging about while the cops have fucked off home, I find that a tad sobering as a thought .

Yes, very sobering.
Putting the potential for shenanigans aside, the Chernobyl sarcophagus isn't even finished and there the reactor still full of toxic shit. The safety aspect for the remaining 15 is probably the biggest risk, especially when their reactors get cranked up to 11 after Putin turns the gas off.

 

[butchersapron]

Here's a book on Ukranian Nationalism 1939-45. It's from 1955 and the then russian institiute of colombia university (now The Harriman Institute at Columbia University) so usual caveats of cold war stuff and that apply. That said, the author seems to have been a serious academic and key originator of the field of ethnosymbolism (he also thanks Frankfurt schooler and interesting analyst of nazism Franz Neumann in his preface):

ethnosymbolism is an approach attempting to bridge past and present by arguing that modern nations have a social and cultural core centred upon the myths, memories, symbols and traditions of pre-national ethnies : "named human populations with shared ancestry, myths, histories and cultures, having an association with a specific territory and a sense of solidarity"

Which, given what we've been talking about on this thread seems rather relevant - leaving aside the obvious debates about the origin of the modern state and all that. The quality ain't brilliant but it's perfectly readable.

 

[elbows]

Here is the little more I've seen on the heckling:

From the guardian live updates page:

The barricades are still manned and reality is slowly sinking in. They have got what they set out to acheive but it’s not clear what happens next. There was a clear ambivalence to Tymoshenko’s arrival last night and success will begin to expose the big divisions that exist among the protesters.

http://latinotimes.com/world/1214385-ukrainian-opposition-leader-is-freed-from-prison.html

When her address was interrupted by hecklers, organizers shouted "titushki" from on stage, using a Ukrainian term for thugs hired by authorities to provoke fights with protesters.

 

[elbows]

She isn't receiving the warmest response from the press in Ukraine either:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-26313298

Many journalists - even those opposing Mr Yanukovych - are against her possible return to power, saying Ukraine needs new faces.

But in Russia one website argues that she still has the clout needed to "restore order" in Ukraine.

"That's enough, Yulia" says a blog post by Serhiy Leshchenko, one of the most influential journalists in Ukraine.

"I do not want the future president of Ukraine - a country that has experienced bloodshed - to be described as a person with a corrupt past. But if Tymoshenko becomes president, that's exactly what I am going to do," Mr Leshchenko wrote on the Ukrayinska Pravda website.

Another prominent journalist, Mustafa Nayem, voices similar scepticism.

"Let's be frank, there are few people who want to see her return to politics," he says on Facebook. If she's back, Ukrainians risk repeating the same mistakes they have been fighting for so long, Mr Nayem warns.

Journalist Yevhen Kuzmenko also has doubts about Ms Tymoshenko as Ukraine's next leader. "Have you noticed how many people start by saying 'I'm glad that she's been freed, but...'?" he asks on Facebook. The main "but" for Mr Kuzmenko are rumoured links between the former prime minister of Ukraine and Russia's President Vladimir Putin.

 

[butchersapron]

So the western press attempt at a Aung San Suu Kyi narrative isn't quite playing out. Know her, she is right now bidding and selling stuff behind the scenes - the question is, who with? The remaining politicians? The far-right? You can be sure that it ain't the mass of people though.

 

[J Ed]

 

[frogwoman]

Oh fuck

 

[Belushi]

Crimea only got transferred to the Ukraine in Khruschevs time iirc

 

[frogwoman]

Crimea only got transferred to the Ukraine in Khruschevs time iirc

Yep. It was given to Ukraine as a gift.

 

[J Ed]

http://rt.com/news/kiev-clashes-rioters-police-571/

Parliament has nulled a Yanukovich-era law, which gave legal grounds for regional use of minority languages. The 2012 law allowed predominantly Russian-speaking regions of Ukraine to use Russian in official business, education and some other areas.

Its adoption was one of Yanokovich’s election campaign points, as he promised to overturn the promotion of the Ukrainian language as the only one used in Ukraine by his predecessor, Victor Yushchenko.

The new authorities in Kiev have strong nationalistic leanings and view the Russian language as hostile towards Ukrainian national identity.

Ein Volk, Ein Sprache

 

[frogwoman]

'Suitcase, train station, Russia.'

 

[teqniq]

That does not bode well

 

[frogwoman]

That does not bode well

It's a potentially explosive issue over there.

 

[framed]

It's a potentially explosive issue over there.

 

[frogwoman]

No I mean it's the sort of shit that helped lead to war just over 20 years ago in transnistria.

 

[Casually Red]

I thought this was interesting Channel 4 news last night 3.27 "you will all be dead if you don't sign".



I also find it interesting how this is being played down as not a coup in the media, when it clearly is. Removing the right wing elements, they are forming a coalition government with no opposition members, appointing their own people and passing laws with most pro-Russian politician's having fled to the East, or being clearly under duress. I'm interested to see how this law on banning the Party of Regions and the Ukraine Communist Party goes, being put forward by the leader of the Radical Party, because this not only would eliminate all opposition, but they don't even have to worry about winning the March elections.

well theyve trashed the CPs offices all over the place . They occupied and trashed some trade unions offices a few days ago too so we can assume thats going on the banned list too. Banning might be the least of the problem because the guy in charge of the mobs doing the trashing openly talks about killing them. Along with jews.

First they came for the communists...then they came for the trade unionists