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Tymoshenko: You have tried to eliminate this cancerous tumour and for that it was important for you to stand at the barricades and face the bullets of snipers... This nation will never be subdued, it will never bow to anyone... because you would not allow it. Because your strength, your force is indefatiguable.
This is going to end in tears.
Why the fuck does she want to join the Eu if Ukraine "will never bow to anyone".
 


glory to the heroes, glory to ukraine
shouts the white witch from the west as she makes her presidential pitch. Telling the fascist rioters to stay on the barricades and not to listen to any politicians telling them to go home .

The slogan has become one of the chief motifs of the opposition protest seeking to unseat President Viktor Yanukovych and bring Ukraine closer to the European Union that has rocked the country.

But for Ukrainians it also carries a far wider resonance as a slogan of the Organisation of Ukrainian Nationalists (OUN) and the Ukrainian Insurgent Army (UPA) who battled Poles, Soviet and Nazi for
ces for control of Western Ukraine in World War II


http://www.nst.com.my/world/upa-controversial-partisans-who-inspire-ukraine-protesters-1.474365
 
There might well be the possibility of a more pro-Russian government coming back into power in the next election cycle – let’s recall that the Orange brigade were wild with jubilation when Yushchenko took the helm back in 2004, and all he did was borrow Ukraine into a great big deep hole with “IMF” written on the cap.The IMF is of the opinion that progress cannot come without suffering, but nobody wants to be the leader that imposes suffering.

Without defending Yanukovych, the constant demonization is making him appear worse than he actually was, and his actions in the last couple of weeks have played right into his enemies’ hands as he acts guilty as sin. The Orangies have pinned everything on Yanukovych because the best plan to make people react the way you want them to react is lots of disinformation, implant early the notion that everything said by the disinformation’s target is a lie, and keep the message simple – Yanukovich gone, all happiness. Consequently Ukrainians will not want to hear that Yanukovych’s departure does not usher in a period of prosperity, but of adjustment and austerity imposed by the EU neoliberal commissars and the IMF.

I imagine the EU’s strategy will be to Europeanize it as quickly as possible against the possibility of their man being tossed out on his ear in a few years, in hope of getting standards in place that would make re-association complicated if not impossible. But let's face it the EU and US do not give a shit about the people of Ukraine; they merely wants to keep it away from Russia. And the likely hope was to be able to "modernize" it to European standards hoping that it remain the central transit country for Russian gas to Europe. If it loses its Russian markets and the gas deliveries are routed around it, the EU will just have taken on a huge country with a restive population which is dirt-poor except for its top 1%. Challenging, to say the very least.
 
This is going to end in tears.
Why the fuck does she want to join the Eu if Ukraine "will never bow to anyone".

shes just using fash populism to whip the crowds emotions up and install herself in power . Leading them up the garden path . If she didnt somebody in the crowd might ask themselves...hold on..isnt this just another oligarch who was caught with her hand in the till after falling out with the other oligarchs ? Who was in power for years and robbed us blind, leaving us in miserable poverty while she ammassed billions ?

Shes deliberately not bothered with the old slap either to make herself look as haggard as possible. Wouldnt be surprised if shes doing a little Britain later on and doing cartwheels when nobodys looking .

She has a massive advantage here as she was in clink when all the wheeling and dealing between the prez and the opposition was going on . Klitschko had to apologise from the stage after being pictured shaking Yanukovichs hand, and was booed mercilessly. Her hands are clean...of that anyway. And Im sure shell be repeatedly emphasising that . So shes making her pitch to the street, and the street is fash. She doesnt have to engage in rationalism and logic with that lot, just raw emotion.
Shes telling them to stay at the barricades, not listen to any politicians..except herself naturally..shouting their fascist slogans and promising them vengeance.

If I was an eastern Ukranian Id be loading extra clips for my AK right now and sending the womenfolk, children and livestock accross the border for a bit.
 
To briefly approach her stuff from another angle (again using bits from the bbc news live page):

She makes political capital from the deaths, attempting to strongly associate herself with the martyrs:
Tymoshenko tells the thousands gathered at Independence Square that she regrets she couldn't be with them during the protests. She says: "We simply cannot afford to pardon those who were allowed to send bullets into the hearts of our young men.

"The freed Tymoshenko says bullets fired by snipers into the bodies of young boys "entered the heart of everyone of us and that bullet will stay with each one of us".

And later she goes on to admit the theatrical nature of politics, further attempting to promote herself as 'the outsiders insider of choice', and trying to distance herself from other politicians:

The freed former prime minister begs for Ukraine's forgiveness. She apologises on behalf of all politicians - "no matter which parties, no matter which positions they took". She says: "I want to say on behalf of all of them that so far, politicians were not worthy of you, they were not worthy of a single drop of blood that you spilled for Ukraine."

She says politics is "a big theatre" and that she will let the public know what is happening "back stage".

Meanwhile the Right Sector knows where a great lump of their power comes from and don't want to have the ball snatched away from them:

Ultra-radical Ukrainian opposition group Right Sector says it will continue protests in Kiev despite parliament's vote to oust Yanukovych, Reuters reports. "The Right Sector will not disperse," the group says in a statement. "It is not the time to celebrate. Now we must be more united than before."
 
shes playing to the far rights hatred of politicians who are discreditted as a class, using that to undermine her rivals in the opposition . Playing anti politics politics. With no policies.

Needs to be remembered here the fash are the actual power on the streets at the minute . State institutions have collapsed in kiev and western ukraine while in the south and east the locals are forming their own alternatives. If she has the fash behind her her rivals could find electioneering a bit trying to say the least.
 
But don't worry:

The difference between today than when Hitler came to power and the fascists in Ukraine is that the Russian workers' state are organizing to defend eastern Ukraine from the onslaught of pro-Capitalist forces from western Ukraine. The appeal from the Jerusalem Post shows the Israeli ruling class can put pressure on Imperialism to stop supporting the fascist elements by threatening to partly break with them and linking up with Russia. There should be demonstrations all over the world against what the fascists are doing in Ukraine. The European ant-fascist march in late March takes on a greater significance and more important to build.

An antifascist march, yeah great, that'll show them.
 
There might well be the possibility of a more pro-Russian government coming back into power in the next election cycle – let’s recall that the Orange brigade were wild with jubilation when Yushchenko took the helm back in 2004, and all he did was borrow Ukraine into a great big deep hole with “IMF” written on the cap.The IMF is of the opinion that progress cannot come without suffering, but nobody wants to be the leader that imposes suffering.

Without defending Yanukovych, the constant demonization is making him appear worse than he actually was, and his actions in the last couple of weeks have played right into his enemies’ hands as he acts guilty as sin. The Orangies have pinned everything on Yanukovych because the best plan to make people react the way you want them to react is lots of disinformation, implant early the notion that everything said by the disinformation’s target is a lie, and keep the message simple – Yanukovich gone, all happiness. Consequently Ukrainians will not want to hear that Yanukovych’s departure does not usher in a period of prosperity, but of adjustment and austerity imposed by the EU neoliberal commissars and the IMF.

I imagine the EU’s strategy will be to Europeanize it as quickly as possible against the possibility of their man being tossed out on his ear in a few years, in hope of getting standards in place that would make re-association complicated if not impossible. But let's face it the EU and US do not give a shit about the people of Ukraine; they merely wants to keep it away from Russia. And the likely hope was to be able to "modernize" it to European standards hoping that it remain the central transit country for Russian gas to Europe. If it loses its Russian markets and the gas deliveries are routed around it, the EU will just have taken on a huge country with a restive population which is dirt-poor except for its top 1%. Challenging, to say the very least.

Are you that tool off Socialist Unity?
 
Quoting George Galloway may be going just a bit too far.

Tymoshenko: You have tried to eliminate this cancerous tumour and for that it was important for you to stand at the barricades and face the bullets of snipers... This nation will never be subdued, it will never bow to anyone... because you would not allow it. Because your strength, your force is indefatiguable.
 
shes just using fash populism to whip the crowds emotions up and install herself in power . Leading them up the garden path . If she didnt somebody in the crowd might ask themselves...hold on..isnt this just another oligarch who was caught with her hand in the till after falling out with the other oligarchs ? Who was in power for years and robbed us blind, leaving us in miserable poverty while she ammassed billions ?

Shes deliberately not bothered with the old slap either to make herself look as haggard as possible. Wouldnt be surprised if shes doing a little Britain later on and doing cartwheels when nobodys looking .

She has a massive advantage here as she was in clink when all the wheeling and dealing between the prez and the opposition was going on . Klitschko had to apologise from the stage after being pictured shaking Yanukovichs hand, and was booed mercilessly. Her hands are clean...of that anyway. And Im sure shell be repeatedly emphasising that . So shes making her pitch to the street, and the street is fash. She doesnt have to engage in rationalism and logic with that lot, just raw emotion.
Shes telling them to stay at the barricades, not listen to any politicians..except herself naturally..shouting their fascist slogans and promising them vengeance.

If I was an eastern Ukranian Id be loading extra clips for my AK right now and sending the womenfolk, children and livestock accross the border for a bit.



glory to the heroes, glory to ukraine shouts the white witch from the west as she makes her presidential pitch. Telling the fascist rioters to stay on the barricades and not to listen to any politicians telling them to go home .

Perhaps, you should try and temper your own raw emotion, that way your posts might be a little more rational and logical, and maybe a little less nacho and misogynistic.

You might also show a little less contempt for those out on the streets as shown in the "garden path" comment. Odd that someone who classes themselves as a "red2 should have such contempt for ordinary people.
 
I want to know more about the heckling.



( from the guardian live updates at http://www.theguardian.com/world/20...inty-after-yanukovych-signs-deal-live-updates )

skynews were showing her speech live and there were definitely young men being dragged out of the crowd by heavies close to the stage. They just interviewed a protestor there and he said as far as hes concerned shes little different from the elusive president. The disillusionment with her seems significant enough for them to be making specific note of it.

Makes it more clear why shes desperately currying favour with the rioters.

And they , sky, keep pointing out most people werent even demonstrating and many are appalled at the rioting.
 
However, the ECHR judges ruled that this "reason was not included among those which would justify deprivation of liberty".

While not ruling explicitly that her detention had been politically motivated, the ECHR noted that Tymoshenko had accused the authorities of detaining her to remove her from political life.

She had been detained, the ECHR concluded, "for other reasons" than ensuring she would appear before the judge.

The court in Strasbourg also ruled that Ukraine's judiciary lacked a procedure for reviewing the detention of suspects.

Complaints rejected
A complaint that Tymoshenko had been denied proper medical treatment in detention was thrown out by the ECHR judges.

On the contrary, they found that the local authorities "had invested efforts far beyond the normal healthcare arrangements available for ordinary detainees in Ukraine".

They also threw out an allegation that Tymoshenko had been beaten during a transfer from prison to hospital in April 2012, pointing out that she had refused to undergo a full forensic examination at the time.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-22351931

Full judgement: http://hudoc.echr.coe.int/sites/fra/pages/search.aspx?i=001-119382#{"itemid":["001-119382"]}
 
Perhaps, you should try and temper your own raw emotion, that way your posts might be a little more rational and logical, and maybe a little less nacho and misogynistic.


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You might also show a little less contempt for those out on the streets as shown in the "garden path" comment. Odd that someone who classes themselves as a "red2 should have such contempt for ordinary people

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piss off fash loving running dog apologist
 
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