Ukraine

[sunny jim]

Just killing politicians, just normal stuff. Just killing off opponents, just normal stuff. Just locking you up, just normal stuff.

If this accusation is pointed solely at the federalists in eastern Ukraine you're bonkers. What do you think has been happening in areas controlled by the Right Sector and the Kiev regime?

 

[butchersapron]

But what about the west it whines, unable to condemn anything. God, imagine people like you with any power. It'd look a bit like this i fear.

 

[sunny jim]

But what about the west it whines, unable to condemn anything. God, imagine people like you with any power.

The only good nazi, as far as I'm concerned, is a dead one.

 

[butchersapron]

I guess this is your cue not to post up up the faked vid of the pro-russian governer getting his throat cut in front of his wife by kievb fascists. The one that won't appear on the latest CR faked stuff RT reposts thread.

 

[butchersapron]

The only good nazi, as far as I'm concerned, is a dead one.

Utterly meaningless rhetoric that betrays that this is a game to you. A thing on which to pose. People like you are liabilities to anti-fascism.

 

[butchersapron]

The only good nazi, as far as I'm concerned, is a dead one.

The only good nazi is one standing with you. You utter mugs.

 

[sunny jim]

Utterly meaningless rhetoric that betrays that this is a game to you. A thing on which to pose. People like you are liabilities to anti-fascism.

It seems like you're an apologist for them - which is a much more of a liability to anti fascism.

 

[butchersapron]

It seems like you're an apologist for them - which is a much more of a liability to anti fascism.

Yes, i am an apologist for fascism.

See where your politics have led you? What a waste of space. At least you're anti-fascist though oi! oi! oi!

 

[J Ed]

Is that a Maoist flag?

 

[butchersapron]

Is this really anti-fascism's legacy - saying fash repeatedly, reposting RT and putting your shoulder to the wheel of power?

 

[Casually Red]

its either mao or george formby, my moneys on mao

 

[butchersapron]

Is that a Maoist flag?

It's a flag of mao, next to one of guevera. I.e people who don't have any significant local support but who will look good to mug western leftists.

 

[Casually Red]

anyways heres a good report, youll need your google translate im afraid..of one of the main eastern protests, the people who attended, mainly steel workers from the metallurgical plant by the sounds of things, and their list of demands which all seem pretty reasonable to me. Dont think there were any fascists in among that lot. Threats to sack them for protesting apparently . Some decent pics.

im assuming from the kerfuffle above someone i have on ignore is calling these people nazis or just as bad, and hoping theyll be shot or something . plain who he hates most anyway . Best ignored when he has the hump i find, youll not get much sense out of him .

http://odnarodyna.com.ua/content/mariupol-prigrozil-ostanovkoy-metallurgicheskih-predpriyatiy-foto

At the meeting were representatives of various social organizations, religious communities and nations - the Azov Greeks, Germans and Russian Jews. Demonstrators adopted a... resolution which demanded:

1. Return of the largest enterprises in the city - they smelters. Ilyich, "Iron & Steel Works" concern "Azovmash" state property.

2. Revitalize sunk into oblivion Azov Shipping Mariupol and confectionary.

3. Prohibit the activities of nationalist organizations.

4. Hold a referendum on federalization and defend the right of the Donetsk region in determining their own choice between the customs or the European Union.

5. Express distrust of Mariupol city council member that does not support their constituents, who refused to take part in a rally to condemn and painful problems.

6. Release from custody "people's governor" Paul Gubaryov. Not to recognize the authority and legitimacy of the oligarchs appointed parliament.

7. To stop the threat of dismissal of employees of enterprises participating at rallies for expression, prohibit the legalization of armed forces the right sector.

8. Condemn the removal from office of officers who refused to implement the introduction of military detachments right sector, welcome cooperation with Russia.

9. Condemn the plans of Ukraine joining the "NATO", a full investigation of provocation with snipers shot at protesters and "Berkut", which resulted in numerous casualties on both sides, to find and punish the perpetrators.

10. Conduct of the executive committee of three members of the public who would exercise control over the decisions of the officials with the right to veto.

11. Established in all districts councils of workers' deputies.

12. Hold early elections to the Verkhovna Rada.

 

[Casually Red]

some pics of an antifascist demo in odessa a couple of weeks ago, calling for a referendum on autonomy . Seems well enough supported.

Marchers chanted slogans: “Odessa, bolder, drive the fascists in the neck”, “Odessa — a hero-city,” “Go out into the streets – take our city back”, “No to fascism – no to capitalism,” “One for all and all for one

 

[butchersapron]

You mean pro Russian capitalism. Which, of course, is anti fascist in its very pith and marrow.

 

[butchersapron]

There's never been a better time to be a eurasianist. Join the fastest growing far-right power play version of anti-fascism around. Buy Why You Should be a Eurasianist by Dugin who'll explain your anti-fascism to you.

 

[Idris2002]

There's never been a better time to be a eurasianist. Join the fastest growing far-right power play version of anti-fascism around. Buy Why You Should be a Eurasianist by Dugin who'll explain your anti-fascism to you.

And with this post have we reached 'Peak Butchersapron'?

 

[tony.c]

Nah there are higher peaks to be conquered yet.

 

[Idris2002]

Nah there are higher peaks to be conquered yet.

The average human type shall rise to that of an Aristotle, a Goethe, a Marx - and beyond these foothills new peaks will rise.

 

[tony.c]

And those will be even more obscure.

 

[Casually Red]

The average human type shall rise to that of an Aristotle, a Goethe, a Marx - and beyond these foothills new peaks will rise.

like something Brecht himself might have said, had he had the pleasure of certain company. Or should i say.... tutelage and uberwisdom.

 

[rekil]

The "anti-fascists" must assume he's a "zionist".

 

[SpineyNorman]

But are you seriously saying these people should just be ignored and wiped out , crushed ? That their terrorists ? What is it ?

Theyve no legitimate grounds to reject that shower who took power illegally with the wests backing and whose leaders openly talk of wiping Russians from Ukraine ? Whove brought zero progressive change for them and never will and appointed more oligarchs to rule over them ?

Yes. That's definitely what I said.

 

[sunny jim]

Beardy man who was supposed to be Russian debunked.

http://der-ukraine-krisen-blog.blogspot.co.at/2014/04/oe-biden-beweisbilder-naher.html

 

[butchersapron]

Beardy man who was supposed to be Russian debunked.

http://der-ukraine-krisen-blog.blogspot.co.at/2014/04/oe-biden-beweisbilder-naher.html

What, in english does it say? What is the site?

 

[sunny jim]

Can't you just google translate it? Or just use Chrome and get an instant translation?

 

[sunny jim]

Cant you even tell from the photos that they are two different blokes?

 

[butchersapron]

Cant you even tell from the photos that they are two different blokes?

The text, the one in which comparison are made - is pretty crucial. What's the provenance of your site and your language skills?

 

[camouflage]

Can't you just google translate it? Or just use Chrome and get an instant translation?

German is completely and utterly untranslatable unfortunately. What's the news re the Spetsnaz Womble?

 

[Casually Red]

loving the russian flag in that pic