Ukraine

[elbows]

also, anyone thinking that russia's motivations are to do with "anti-fascism" would do well to look at lukashenko's record towards opposition in belarus and some of the racism and homophobia that's gone on there

Plus the fact that the Berlin wall was officially referred to as the 'Anti-Fascist Protection Rampart'.

 

[DairyQueen]

We're sidetracking here but I think they'd more or less given up on anything meaningfully socialist in the 20's and 30's, and between the death of Stalin in '53 and the hungarian crisis of '56 the whole communist movement worldwide was in ruins. Everything after that was pure lip-service imo.

The Vietnam War? The Cuban revolution?

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Plus the fact that the Berlin wall was officially referred to as the 'Anti-Fascist Protection Rampart'.

I didn't know that.

 

[seventh bullet]

We're sidetracking here but I think they'd more or less given up on anything meaningfully socialist in the 20's and 30's, and between the death of Stalin in '53 and the hungarian crisis of '56 the whole communist movement worldwide was in ruins. Everything after that was pure lip-service imo.

I disagree, on their terms (which I am not arguing for by the way). I agree, however, that we shouldn't go off-topic.

 

[Fuchs66]

Plus the fact that the Berlin wall was officially referred to as the 'Anti-Fascist Protection Rampart'.

Yeah, makes you wonder why all the mines and half starved attack dogs were on the wrong side though.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Yeah, makes you wonder why all the mines and half starved attack dogs were on the wrong side though.

In case they get over the wall. Second line of defence.

 

[elbows]

I didn't know that.

Neither did I until I just happened to be reading about the wall a few days ago. I thought of this thread straight away.

If only we had u75 back then, we may have been treated to CR defending the existence of the Antifaschistischer Schutzwall.

 

[Lo Siento.]

Neither did I until I just happened to be reading about the wall a few days ago. I thought of this thread straight away.

If only we had u75 back then, we may have been treated to CR defending the existence of the Antifaschistischer Schutzwall.

Back in the days or Ern, everyone on u75 would've known that...

 

[elbows]

By the time I got quite active here I'm under the impression he had become a poor imitation of himself, so I can't really comment on that

 

[littlebabyjesus]

By the time I got quite active here I'm under the impression he had become a poor imitation of himself, so I can't really comment on that

Me too. I was a target of his nastiness, too. I doubt he was ever any different, tbh, although people assured me he was. Just a twat who took pleasure upsetting people. Seemed more novel at first, perhaps.

 

[elbows]

So has anyone found any sites, twitter feeds, etc that are any good in relation to Ukraine? Especially since the Russia stuff has conveniently allowed our media to mostly forget about Kiev for now.

 

[Fuchs66]

http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-news-from-elsewhere-26716281

They have my support

 

[seventh bullet]

The Vietnam War?

Maoism helped to reinvigorate Marxism-Leninism and galvanised revolutionaries across many parts of the world, but at a time when there were the most countries with Marxist-Leninist governments (as well as movements fighting to bring them about), practically a lot of it ran into considerable trouble within a decade or so.

 

[J Ed]

http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-news-from-elsewhere-26716281

They have my support

 

[Casually Red]

jesus christ the amount of crap being spouted on the issue by self-proclaimed leftists on either "side" of the ukraine "debate" (somehow the working class never figures in this equation) is fucking unbelievable.

tell you what, you educate us then instead of lobbing insults from the sidelines

 

[Casually Red]

many leftists have never got over the demise of the ussr and therefore see putin's russia as some sort of comfort substitute.

many leftists also dont like US manufactured fascist coups.

or fucking arsehole pedants wittering on about the difference between weapons manufactured by NATO countries and NATO issue weapons

its the same fucking difference, jesus. Its like being stuck in a lift listening to some trainspotters.

nooo...the grimley flyer didnt operate on that gauge, it was spefically designed for.....blah blah everyone knows that....ppfftt

fuck

 

[Fuchs66]

Wow someones having a hard day!

Calm down CR, take a deep breath, count to ten and then tell us all again what you want to say in a manner that actually makes sense.

 

[8ball]

Wow someones having a hard day!

Calm down CR, take a deep breath, count to ten and then tell us all again what you want to say in a manner that actually makes sense.

I got what he meant tbf.

 

[Casually Red]

Lukashenko is an even bigger thief than Yanukovich was, and has been up Russia's arse since independence.

is that right....??? holy shit , I never knew that. Thanks for telling me, I thought he was some sort of hippy do gooder but thanks for putting me right. Does anyone else know ? Maybe you should tell the media. This deserves to be on the news, this stuff.

Cant believe hes like that. Jesus...lucky you told me.

 

[Fuchs66]

I got what he meant tbf.

I hear what he is saying too, but it's verging on white noise now.

 

[Casually Red]

I hear what he is saying too, but it's verging on white noise now.

fart noise

did ye get that ?

 

[Fuchs66]

fart noise

did ye get that ?

Most intelligent thing you've said in weeks, thank you for returning my faith in humanity.

 

[Casually Red]

Anyways, Julia Tymoshenkos thoughts about what to do with her inconvenient millions of compatriots of Russian ethnicity in the east of Ukraine have just been elucidated in yet another intercepted phone conservation thats gone up on Youtube. They should all be massacred apparently. All of them, in their millions.
Lucky shes a nice peaceful liberal democrat, the voice of reason and not a nazi, or God knows what she might have said .

http://rt.com/news/tymoshenko-calls-destroy-russia-917/

 

[classicdish]

...inconvenient millions of compatriots of Russian ethnicity in the east of Ukraine...

Except that she is clearly talking about the Russian military who just invaded Crimea, not her fellow Ukrainians.

(She has also said the tape has been edited)

And since we are talking about nazi-like slogans, what did you say the other day CR? "Fuck you fascist elections" wasn't it?

Which kind of begs the question - if you are against the forthcoming elections in Ukraine, what *would* you prefer to see happen instead?

 

[Casually Red]

Except that she is clearly talking about the Russian military who just invaded Crimea, not her fellow Ukrainians.

bullshit, take the dung out of your ears and listen to it again. Shes talking about 8 million Russians in eastern Ukraine. Thats the bit shes claimed has been editted.

you didnt even listen to the thing you flipping idiot and your straight in shouting the odds like a massive twat

 

[Casually Red]

what is it with the clowns on this thing

 

[J Ed]

Anyways, Julia Tymoshenkos thoughts about what to do with her inconvenient millions of compatriots of Russian ethnicity in the east of Ukraine have just been elucidated in yet another intercepted phone conservation thats gone up on Youtube. They should all be massacred apparently. All of them, in their millions.
Lucky shes a nice peaceful liberal democrat, the voice of reason and not a nazi, or God knows what she might have said .

http://rt.com/news/tymoshenko-calls-destroy-russia-917/

Christ she is a moron, money can't buy intelligence

 

[yield]

what is it with the clowns on this thing

Meanwhile somewhere in Selfawaria.

 

[Casually Red]

Im not surprised shes suspected of killing business rivals back in the day after listening to that.
But the reaction of the people shes talking about liquidating en masse will be a bit interesting.

 

[Casually Red]

Meanwhile somewhere in Selfawaria.

what...what happened ? Tell me.