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Housing in Britain is fucked at pretty much every level. Prices relative to incomes keep rising, and rental costs prevent most working folk from getting to the point where they can even think of buying anything.

How can we provide more and better housing? How can we build proper communities instead of zombie estates? How can the rental sector be dragged back to the realms of sanity? What forces are on the board preventing these things from happening?

I'm starting this thread so we can have all these discussions in one place, instead of all over the place on threads about other stuff.
 
Labours joined up, authority led, bus services are a good start to improve community cohesion and engage various estates.

Local jobs and/or incentives for remote working to cut commuter numbers and keep people actually in the area to work and live would also be good.
 
One thing I'm interested in in how much, if any, real planning gets done by local authorities these days. All I ever see is a developer bowling up, buying a plot of land, telling the LA what they want to build on it and getting it rubber stamped. They're never told no we need this to remain as open space; no there's not the infrastructure there and you're not going to provide it; no we've got enough student flats, build something cheap for working folk or jog on.

I assume there are still planning officers (a job my grandfather did for the GLC back in the day) but it seems like all they get to do is choose whether we get mustard or mayo on our shit sandwich.
 
Actually build more affordable housing, rather than investment properties for overseas investors and buy to let landlords.

I would make it illegal to build anything anywhere without solar panels on the roof and a car charging point.

And it would be illegal to build anything anywhere without practical public transport.
 
Local authorities don't have the will of the money to withstand the drawn out hearings and appeals if a developer challenges a decision. Know what, "we"will give them permission on the proviso that they build a new road, a new junction of plant a tree. Besides, there is the extra revenue from the occupants.

Yes a key change would be to say you can appeal a planning decision once and that's your lot, and if you want to do it you're paying the legal costs.

Actually fuck it, there doesn't need to be any right of appeal at all. Appeals are for humans, not piles of money with consultants on retainer.
 
One thing I'm interested in in how much, if any, real planning gets done by local authorities these days. All I ever see is a developer bowling up, buying a plot of land, telling the LA what they want to build on it and getting it rubber stamped. They're never told no we need this to remain as open space; no there's not the infrastructure there and you're not going to provide it; no we've got enough student flats, build something cheap for working folk or jog on.

I assume there are still planning officers (a job my grandfather did for the GLC back in the day) but it seems like all they get to do is choose whether we get mustard or mayo on our shit sandwich.

Google "local plan" for your area and you should get some results. Big push for this last few years.

There's planning people but it's just not very good planning, most of what's enforced is the day to day stuff and larger plans usually bogs down in local politics, the council's often have members, shall we say initmately involved, with some aspect of developing or selling new builds.
 
Local authorities don't have the will of the money to withstand the drawn out hearings and appeals if a developer challenges a decision. Know what, "we"will give them permission on the proviso that they build a new road, a new junction of plant a tree. Besides, there is the extra revenue from the occupants.
This is absolutely it. Round me, the local council, local people. were 100% against a private developer putting up new student flats.

The planning application got thrown out, the property developer threatened legal action, the council hasn't got the money to fight it. We lose. Every time.
 
I think many politicians are scared of the housing market going into decline because they see that as electorial suicide.

I mean prices going into decline.
 
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Student flats are a big one, whenever I head up Birmingham it looks like more have just been shat out in the city centre.

Think UCL and other London unis doing same thing in centre as well.

Bet Brexit has them bricking it but most of the students they are hoping for were Chinese or SE Asian so probably not.
 
I think many politicians are scared of the housing market going into decline because they see that as electorial suicide.

Yes and I think that's a mistake. Most people lose when house prices and incomes diverge. You could come at that from the angle of wanting to increase incomes but that could simply accelerate the existing trend.

I'd like to see an explicit rejection of shit like Cameron's help to buy scheme which was aimed at people with existing capital and which effectively just helped to sustain the price bubble, in as much as it had any effect at all. I'd like to see someone saying yes we're going to hurt landlords, yes we're going to hurt property speculators, yes we're going to hurt people with mulitple homes; but they've been hurting all of us for a long time and they fucking deserve it.
 
Will come back to this thread bunch more in days to come, but quickly here is a recent good article (best thing about the Granuaid is Cities & Architecture)

Meet the councils quietly building a housing revolution

and Anna Minton, whose book Big Capital is one of the strongest on London's housing crisis was a guest on Novara recently so this is probably worth a listen (can't comment as haven't listened to it, but it's James Butler not Bastani doing the interview so probably pretty good).

Where Will We Live? | Novara Media
 
Will come back to this thread bunch more in days to come, but quickly here is a recent good article (best thing about the Granuaid is Cities & Architecture)

Meet the councils quietly building a housing revolution

and Anna Minton, whose book Big Capital is one of the strongest on London's housing crisis was a guest on Novara recently so this is probably worth a listen (can't comment as haven't listened to it, but it's James Butler not Bastani doing the interview so probably pretty good).

Where Will We Live? | Novara Media

From that first link:

A slightly different tactic is being used in Nottingham, where the council’s development company, Blueprint, has been building high-spec housing for sale to kickstart private-sector investment in a waterside regeneration zone. “Before we started building here, no developers were interested,” says Nottingham council’s head of regeneration and housing delivery, Mark Lowe. “Since the Blueprint schemes at Trent Basin, a whole range of sites have come forward, stimulating this new area of the city.”

So basically the model here is the local authority does the gentrification so the private sector doesn't have to, or so the private sector can come late to the party and make bigger profits at lower risk. Nottingham city council is all about this sort of thing, and has various 'can't beat em, join em' type schemes. They're not entirely without merit, I lived in a private rental house owned by the council's sock puppet landlord until recently and I have to admit it was a better experience than renting from some BTL arsehole, but still I can't help thinking that this is all just accelerating a lot of the problems they're trying to solve.

Nottingham city council also likes to keep prime sites for student developments or luxury flats. It's all very well saying we've got a few people interested in this brownfield site in some light industrial wasteland that floods every three years, but when they're also allowing commerical developments with zero social or affordable housing on much better sites it all looks a bit shit.
 
i have ranted on this at length. just back from germany. you can get a flat in the east side of berlin for 80K euros- marketed at brits primarily- problem is that its has a current occupier Hans, who has beeen there 30 years and his rent is 275 euros a month - and he is secure - not everyone shoild feeel the need to buy if there is no advantage to doing so.
 
Providing better housing isn't hard... Just requires decent design, some level of centralisation in production. I mean Camden council, with Sydney Cook as borough architect, were making a decent stab of it back in the 60s. Not without problems of course, but technology in this sector is vastly more advanced than it was then.

Getting the land, changing attitudes to housing and funding much harder of course. Everything is viewed through the eyes of the private sector now... Just a fundamentally different outlook at all levels, across party politics. Fear of economic downturns, fear for investments etc. There is a whiff of change in the air, with so many young people essentially seeing no prospect of a long-term home until er... Well at all really, for many. But still, public-private is just intertwined here. And getting on the mysterious black sunglasses of revelation will involve an extended fight scene, possibly involving a dumpster.

Communities I think is the hardest of the lot, given how the nature of work has changed in the last 40 odd years. But to some extent it might follow from affordable housing... Less need to relocate, more ability to chose an area that suits you etc.
 
House building is always looked at as solution and yeah a programme of council house building is needed, probably centrally planned before handed over to local authorities with no RTB in england - but taking existing homes into public/social ownership is ignored. Massive tax burden on anything but main residence + legislation that both obliges councils to take x% into their ownership across different types/sizes/locations and gives them first option to purchase (presumably in a falling market) could work and this would ensure council housing is more evenly distributed, remove the stigma that's developed etc.

Obviously would need greater tenant rights across the market (council/social/private - end of fixed term tenancy agreements, tenants unions, beefed up non voluntary housing ombudsman etc)
 
there is some small good out there- southwark dont discount for empty properties but they double the council tax

I'd like to see that become national policy TBH. I'd go even further and ban second homes (although this could be a vote loser as more people now are relying on rental income).

Both local authorities and central government should do more to tackle empty homes.
 
Nottingham city council also likes to keep prime sites for student developments or luxury flats. It's all very well saying we've got a few people interested in this brownfield site in some light industrial wasteland that floods every three years, but when they're also allowing commerical developments with zero social or affordable housing on much better sites it all looks a bit shit.

oh yeh, I'm not posting it 'cos I'm in support of it all, I'm posting it to give an indication of the approaches some LAs are taking, the expanding desire of councils to provide more social housing and biggest reason of all - there's some bloody lovely houses in there. If we are building social housing which can be seen as desirable by their merits as buildings alone, then it takes an axe to many of the bullshit negative narratives around social housing
 
I think one of the biggest obstacles is the expectation from home owners not only that the housing market won't crash, but that the value of their house will continue to appreciate rapidly. Housing costs are at a level that people who might previously have been able to pay a decent amount into a pension or have savings now have to put all their spare cash into paying their mortgage - and all their plans for the future - retirement, paying for their kids to go to university, moving to a larger house in a nicer area, etc etc - are built on not only the value of their house increasing, but it increasing over the rate of inflation.

So it's not just rapacious landlord vote the politicians are worried about with their housing policy, it's this huge number of people in the middle who will be fucked not just by a crash, but by any policy which stops this rapid growth.
 
Stop RTB, what has happened with that, isn't just about people buying their own home - most of the 1st generation of council tenants who bought, sold at the first chance they got - and the flats become investment vehicles for landlords - tenants come and go, the existing council tenants often don't have a clue who is living upstairs and there is no point getting to know them as they'll be gone soon. Air bnb does not help, although it is against the conditions of the lease in Council leasehold property, it doesn't stop flat owners trying to get away with it, as forfeiture of a lease is a real arse to get in the courts.

More building - Councils are finally building again, but some of the new Mega Housing Associations seem to be losing interest in traditional social renting - and moving towards market renting . We need to get these Housing Associations building more social rented units.
 
I think one of the biggest obstacles is the expectation from home owners not only that the housing market won't crash, but that the value of their house will continue to appreciate rapidly. Housing costs are at a level that people who might previously have been able to pay a decent amount into a pension or have savings now have to put all their spare cash into paying their mortgage - and all their plans for the future - retirement, paying for their kids to go to university, moving to a larger house in a nicer area, etc etc - are built on not only the value of their house increasing, but it increasing over the rate of inflation.
Whilst they may think this, some of it is nonsense.

Moving to a larger house is restricted, not enabled, by housing price growth. Paying for kids to go to university isn't directly enabled by property prices because it's complex to release the value; the retirement scenario isn't simple either. I'm not even all that convinced by the headlines in it: the mortgage affordability vs. pension argument, or that people really think that their own future is enabled by housing price growth.

I certainly do think that people fear a housing price crash, but I think it's well worth looking at the actual consequences, although they may be obvious to some.

If you bought a house with a comfortable deposit, and its value fell a little, your loan-to-value ratio (LTV) declines and your mortgage rate at the point of remortgage is worse. You pay slightly more each month. We live in low-interest times. Generally not ideal - however If you want to 'upgrade', this is potentially enabling, as house prices fall proportionally and you need less capital to make a jump.

If you bought a house with a smaller deposit, or its value fell further, your LTV declines such that your LTV may now fall outside the available mortgage products. If it goes far enough, you're in negative equity, where your mortgage debt is worth more than the current value of the house. In the short term this restricts your ability to move. In the longer term, at remortgage time, you can't remortgage to a preferable deal without summoning up more capital. So you fall back to the punitive standard variable rate of the product you're stuck on, and your monthly costs do go up significantly. But if you can afford the increase, you keep your home. You're just paying over the odds for something you could have freshly bought for much less - except that's complex because you would have been losing money in rent etc.

Such an affordability crisis could potentially be mitigated by the state assuming the risk of default and offering better rates for people so affected.
 
Crash the fucking lot, no second properties, massive state regulated compensation scheme for single home owners caught in negative equity, no foreign buyers, vast social housing investment, including self-build, housing co-ops.Plus fair rent acts, thereby fucking off all those BTL rentier cunts (yep, I know loads of them). This is NOT a difficult problem to solve if only there was sufficient political will (or, afaiac, burning shit and revolution - no private property at all.

I frequently fantasise about huge shanty housing appearing overnight on Midsummer common...where you are not allowed so much as an overnight tent. Let's face it- nothing is going to change until we literally take it from the hands of landlords - a sort of reverse enclosures act.
 
Local authorities don't have the will of the money to withstand the drawn out hearings and appeals if a developer challenges a decision. Know what, "we"will give them permission on the proviso that they build a new road, a new junction of plant a tree. Besides, there is the extra revenue from the occupants.
Very much the way around here. private companies are building student accomodation, The council doesnt want it, local residents don't want it, but it goes to the housing minister or the courts, and it gets built - and the council get to pay the lawyers. Fe cking shite.
 
Crash the fucking lot, no second properties, massive state regulated compensation scheme for single home owners caught in negative equity, no foreign buyers, vast social housing investment, including self-build, housing co-ops.Plus fair rent acts, thereby fucking off all those BTL rentier cunts (yep, I know loads of them). This is NOT a difficult problem to solve if only there was sufficient political will (or, afaiac, burning shit and revolution - no private property at all.

I frequently fantasise about huge shanty housing appearing overnight on Midsummer common...where you are not allowed so much as an overnight tent. Let's face it- nothing is going to change until we literally take it from the hands of landlords - a sort of reverse enclosures act.
Give it time. Already people camp out under the bridge, have done for yonks. To say nothing of the narrowboats - they are treated disgracefully. Cambridge is full of BTL, which is bad enough - but does it have the same investment-only/non-occupation blight that high end London has?
 
We had a healthy stock of council housing which was re allocated but Right to Buy saw many children of elderly parents buy the houses at back pocket prices for them to move into. I had a friend who paid £12,000 pounds for a three bedroom house with a hundred foot garden and an A rate council tax. You can still do it.
 
Sadly, I am sure you still can buy your social housing at knock down prices, even worse bought by greedy offspring.
social housing should remain that way as an affordable place for people to live. It's been sold off, is being sold off and is not being replaced.
Thatcher and Porter have much to answer for.
 
New housing developments are too car-focussed.


This will surprise nobody who's ever seen a new-build estate. They're usually the same random squiggle of cul-de-sacs they were forty years ago, designed to facillitate driving in from elsewhere, parking outside your house and then driving back out again. The ability to move around a neigbhourhood in some kind of organic way, and having things worth moving around for, is what turns a mere dormitory into an actual place to live in. This is especially important for children, for whom easy access to the dual carriageway and a great selection of retail parks within a five-mile radius are pretty meaningless compared to having safe and interesting spaces to exist in within easy reach of their homes.

In that article the housing developers are blaming local councils, saying they should be the ones putting more resources into planning. Time for a simple two-stage planning process IMO, summarised thus:

Either a) build a development that meets all of the following standards and requirements or b) fuck off.

I suspect they'd mysteriously find the money for cycle paths and playgrounds from somewhere in that situation.
 
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Here seems the best thread for this recent FT article on the hollowing out of cities, with families no longer able to afford to live there. School closures are a symptom of the larger problems of inequality and lack of social housing. Part of the reason for falling rolls cited by councils is the lower birth rate and the return of EU citizens to their home countries, but the main problem is affordability of housing. It’s not just that people are having fewer children, it’s that the people who do and will have children are moving to cheaper boroughs:
In London, children are spread unevenly, with families moving to the outer edges. Data from the Centre for London shows that in the 20 years to 2021, there was a decline in households with at least one dependent child in the inner London boroughs of Hackney (9 per cent), Islington (7 per cent), Lambeth (10 per cent) and Southwark (11 per cent). Further east, in Barking and Dagenham, there was a 34 per cent increase over the period, spurred by low land prices and an enormous programme of housebuilding.

Having children means people start paying attention and start contributing to their neighbourhood, says Lange. “These are people who fight for protected bike lanes, run for the school board, plan block parties.” It also has an impact on local services. “An increasing number of young Londoners being forced to leave the city by the inaccessibility of home ownership will also impact hiring conditions and the state of public services,” says Tabbush at the Centre for London. The capital has the highest vacancy rate for NHS workers anywhere in the UK, he adds, which is largely driven by a lack of nurses.

The problem is not confined to London either.

The whole thing is a tragedy. Paywall busted link:

The prospect of the childless city​

As housing costs soar, the exodus of families from urban centres is a threat to social mobility and cultural vibrancy
 
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