UK employers struggle with worst labour shortage since 1997
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Calamity1971
If Mr Peanut says It's okay, then it is.
Maybe they're too brow beaten hungry and depressed. And in a month or so too fucking cold to complain. I don't think you understand poverty do you?
krtek a houby
Satin is my master
He's a tool that really needs putting down.
Calamity1971
If Mr Peanut says It's okay, then it is.
Like that useless one on a Swiss army knife for cleaning horses hooves, that no one ever needs.
Yes I do, as it happens. I do. Are you saying ambition and drive is a luxury of the privileged?
Calamity1971
If Mr Peanut says It's okay, then it is.
I really can't be arsed to explain it to you. Fuck off.
krtek a houby
Satin is my master
He could do with some serious mucking out
Explain what? All you’ve done is throw insults out.
Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
Latest employment figures. A useful thread:
Does this include casual workers, zero hours contracts, unpaid carers and such?
I'm not actually sure about this - I suspect a lot of employers are simply using furlough to top up their wage bill rather than all those million staff being truly furloughed, and the workers will mostly be absorbed back into the workforce. I could be wrong but think the end of furlough might be less of a bump than expected. I guess we'll see soon enough though.
exactly - I bet most of the current furlough bill is employers using it to fill in gaps in everyday ebb and flow of demand, and stuff like this.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
I wonder if the million plus vacancies includes 100,000 nursing jobs
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
No, that's not how it works.
marty21
One on one? You're crazy.
In the late 80s I went for a few telesales gigs (I was shit at it tbf) one early job offer was working at the Observer. I asked about pay during the 6 week training period I had to do before actually started work, I was told they would lend me the money to cover my expenses for the 6 week period I wasn't working
. So I said, I have to borrow £1500 (can't remember the exact figure) and at the end of the 6 weeks training, you could just let me go & I have no job and I owe you money ? They said yes, I said no. Ended up temping as a theatre Porter at Charing Cross hospital for a few months at £7 an hour and left not owing them money.
Travel industry alone is predicting 20%+ redundancy
existentialist
Things Done
So the way it works needs to change. Which is, somewhat, the point of this discussion, as far as I can see.
existentialist
Things Done
That's all you're worth. Dan.
Sure, lots of people are predicting allsorts of things. Maybe the direst predictions will come true - I'm predicting more modest job losses though.
MickiQ
In My Defence I was left Unsupervised
That's got be illegal surely, otherwise they could basically swap their entire workforce out every 6 weeks and not pay em a thing.In the late 80s I went for a few telesales gigs (I was shit at it tbf) one early job offer was working at the Observer. I asked about pay during the 6 week training period I had to do before actually started work, I was told they would lend me the money to cover my expenses for the 6 week period I wasn't working
Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
So am I. The longer run question is what are the outcomes and conclusions drawn when people start reflecting on the achievements of the furlough scheme and the political questions it raises. Adam Tooze has been regularly quoting Keynes statement, "that anything we can actually do, we can afford" about the state and economy. The Furlough proves the truth of Keynes statement.
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A friend who works in travel has just been made redundant. The company didn't want to lose her and held out for as long as possible but the situation is so gloomy within that industry. The knock on effects for hospitality is probably equally as gloomy.
It seems to me that the squeeze at the moment is that there are those without a job and there are jobs available but the skills people have do not match up to the jobs available. There is probably no quick fix to this but if you want to be optimistic there is hope UK companies may go back to actually training people up instead of just getting a cheap Eastern European who was suitably qualified.
The company I work for has just given all our HGV drivers a pay rise to keep them as they are in demand so that's already a positive that's come out of all this. I'm hopeful more good things can come out of all this but at the moment its pretty shit for anyone who's skills are in an industry which the pandemic has hammered.
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marty21
One on one? You're crazy.
This was in 1989 tbf , but yes, and it is comfortably the worst job offer I've ever had . I later got a job at the Independent , they offered £11k a year, training included, plus commission. I left after 6 months, I was eased out tbf, earning about £300 commission in that time
colleagues managed to get £3-400 a month in commission, possibly more.You are a bully.
Summing up someone’s worth in some shitty forum. For the gratification of your peers. Bully.
And specifically to dehumanise them by calling them some trope name (I’m not called Dan). You are a bully.
You need to take a look at yourself, you aren’t as tolerant as you’d like to think.
You are a bully.
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Humberto
Take me up to Monto
Arse bubble. Probably a libertarian?
krtek a houby
Satin is my master
Lol
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