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UCU - Pensions and Pay Disputes

I completely agree, but with the very real threat of redundancy hanging over my head the thought of losing that much pay isn't good :(
or with a partner who is self employed and their industry fucked atm :( I simply cannot afford to strike this much - I'm genuinely terrified about what I can do.
 
When strike action was mooted at the HEI I worked for, the senior management sent a stern message to all staff making it clear that while they accepted Unionisation in the workplace (through gritted teeth) staff considering taking part were very irresponsible, were sabotaging “the student experience” and should rethink their position on the matter. This after senior management took a 16.7% pay rise while the rest of us were supposed to be grateful for 0.5% ? I also got into trouble for bringing refreshments to the picket line on days when my Union wasn’t taking action but another one was - threatened with a verbal warning for making tea using “University Electricity” ffs...
 
14 days is fucking insane.
Is it? It's a lot but then this is a really serious issue. And what's the alternative? I'm not going to pretend that it won't be difficult for some but it's been shown time and time again over the last 20 years that 24/48 hour strikes don't do shit. Look at the doctors, they lost because when it can down to it they weren't prepared to use their industrial muscle. This is what politics is.
 
When strike action was mooted at the HEI I worked for, the senior management sent a stern message to all staff making it clear that while they accepted Unionisation in the workplace (through gritted teeth) staff considering taking part were very irresponsible, were sabotaging “the student experience” and should rethink their position on the matter. This after senior management took a 16.7% pay rise while the rest of us were supposed to be grateful for 0.5% ? I also got into trouble for bringing refreshments to the picket line on days when my Union wasn’t taking action but another one was - threatened with a verbal warning for making tea using “University Electricity” ffs...
Fucking hell, particularly "university electricity" and "the student experience". Just like the NHS and "it's the patients who suffer" :rolleyes:

or with a partner who is self employed and their industry fucked atm :( I simply cannot afford to strike this much - I'm genuinely terrified about what I can do.
Kind of as suggested above, there are usually "hardship funds" available for these situations. Obviously it very much depends on what's available and I appreciate it doesn't make it easy, but might be worth looking into to see if it might make it at least manageable?
 
Is it? It's a lot but then this is a really serious issue. And what's the alternative? I'm not going to pretend that it won't be difficult for some but it's been shown time and time again over the last 20 years that 24/48 hour strikes don't do shit. Look at the doctors, they lost because when it can down to it they weren't prepared to use their industrial muscle. This is what politics is.
I get the severity but what other decision is there going to be? Pensions are fucked for everyone. Striking or not, capitalism isn't going anywhere, despite how much I'd liked it to.

Sorry, I know you're going to say they'll just win then, or what else do we have other than labour etc. I get that. I've just never been in a position where action means my mortgage won't get paid. I've never scabbed. It is really worrying.

Another group I'm a member of has a lot of people saying they would have voted for strike action had they known of how many days it would involve. That's how I feel. 14 days :(
 
Fucking hell, particularly "university electricity" and "the student experience". Just like the NHS and "it's the patients who suffer" :rolleyes:

Kind of as suggested above, there are usually "hardship funds" available for these situations. Obviously it very much depends on what's available and I appreciate it doesn't make it easy, but might be worth looking into to see if it might make it at least manageable?
I'm going to talk to my union rep this week I think.
 
I get the severity but what other decision is there going to be? Pensions are fucked for everyone. Striking or not, capitalism isn't going anywhere, despite how much I'd liked it to.
Then by this argument all workers should just give up now. And why are pensions fucked for everyone? Partly because too many unions have rolled over, because far too many people, including union members, view striking as a PR stunt rather than a means to use your industrial muscle.

Look at the main (only) union in the UK which actually wins dispute these days - the RMT. It takes action and it wins rights for it's members because its members stand firm and recognise the primary purpose of strike action - to cause our employer as much disruption as possible.

Another group I'm a member of has a lot of people saying they would have voted for strike action had they known of how many days it would involve. That's how I feel. 14 days :(
So rather than do 14 days (possibly) which might have an effect we should have done what? A couple of 48 hr strikes and then capitulated. What's the point of that?
 
14 days in two months is a lot (at least these days), and it will be tough for some, but that's the point. This is a battle we can win if we are prepared to stand firm and cause that level of disruption.

EDIT: It's worth remembering that some RMT members have already given up three days pay this year, on top of the days they lost in 2017. And most of those comrades will be on a lower scale than UCU members. If the RMT can hold firm then why can't the UCU?
 
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I couldn't pay my bills / mortgage with that much strike action in such a short period of time
I wouldn't have voted for such an extensive strike either
 
I’m unclear on this stuff but at what point does strike pay kick in? When the bin workers went on strike in Brum one of the big things Unite punted was that they wouldn’t be starved back to work because the rate of strike pay was so good. Do you have to be off for a certain period or can you claim for any time off?
 
Yep, no strike pay until day four and only then under certain circumstances. Our branch have some money to help but with over 200 members it won't go far.
 
Yep, no strike pay until day four and only then under certain circumstances. Our branch have some money to help but with over 200 members it won't go far.
That's presuming a lot about members other income and that members can still afford essentials with that loss of pay
 
We got this email from the local UCU Exec today

Unspinning the 6 Myths
It is important that we understand the employers response, particularly in the context of industrial action, and the consensus across UCU branches in the UK that they left us with no choice.

1. UUK have stated that their position is due to "challenging economic circumstances":

Higher Education Statistics Agency (HESA) reports sectoral surpluses have grown from £158m in 2005/6 to in excess of £1.85bn in 2014/15 - see Chart 1 here. For the last year available, 2016/17 data reports a surplus over £1.5bn (around 5%). If there is a "crisis of affordability", it appears to be self-inflicted. The obvious question when looking at Chart 1 is how was a reasonably generous Defined Benefit scheme (indeed, Final Salary scheme) affordable in 2005/6 on a surplus of £158m, when it is not affordable on a surplus of ten times the amount? The Government Green Paper on pensions makes clear that there is no general ‘affordability’ problem for the majority of employers running a Defined Benefit (DB) scheme; and does not agree that across the board action is needed to transfer more risk to members, or indeed to reduce members’ benefits in order to relieve financial pressure on employers. UUK continues to point to the negative impact on teaching and research made by any future additional pension contributions. This is at odds with the fact that it is staff who conduct the teaching and research.

2. The “deficit” has increased:

The projected deficit has increased because the valuation is flawed. UCU has modelled a wide range of scenarios, the employers' organisation UUK has simply insisted, without any modelling of their proposals, on moving to a 100% 'Defined Contribution' stocks-and-shares scheme for all staff (with 6% of salary put into a pension protection pot to shield the employers from risk). They have said they will not shoulder some of the risk, which is why the deficit projection shot up from £5.1bn to £7.6bn in November. Not all employers agree with the official UUK hard-line position (it is apparently held by a minority 42% of institutions). Several institutions, including Warwick, Glasgow and Loughborough, have argued for a more flexible approach.

3. The “risk” has increased:

‘De-risking’ by selling off growth assets (equities, property etc) and replace them with low return investments such as government bonds, in order to ‘match liabilities’ is responsible for almost all of the deficit. The most shocking thing about the plans to de-risk investments is that 10 years into the future the de-risking offers almost no protection against adverse events (slide 7-8). Here, the figures for the worst 1% of possibilities (next to the ‘99%’ arrow) are extremely similar whether de-risking or not. According to a report commissioned by USS themselves, USS pension scheme is "strong and stable". We agree. USS’s cash flow is positive. Former Minister of State for Pensions Ros Altman tweeted yesterday, "The trend to 'de-risking' by switching to bonds has left many pension schemes with bigger deficits than using equities". . A letter dated 12th January from Sam Gyimah, Office for Students, to Ellie Rees MP confirms this as well. So low risk is intolerable when shared by 350 institutions but high risk is fine when borne by workers individually?

4. We (UUK) are paying “too much” into USS:

UUK would like people to believe that 18% contributions is too high as compared to the private sector. A letter, published in the Times Higher Education from nearly 1,000 professors, notes: “In a sector where many would earn more working in the private sector, the USS pension has provided compensation for relatively modest salaries and has acted as a magnet for talented overseas staff.” We wonder why are institutions continuing to spend billions on new buildings if they cannot afford to meet their current contractual obligations to staff rewards? According to UUK data, the average institution spends 11% of its budget on maintaining its estate. (In 2016 Lancaster spent over £37m (or 14.5%) of its £255m total expenditure on ‘facilities’. It spent the same amount in 2015.)

5. The Pensions Regulator intervened at a crucial point:

We know that the Pension Regulator (the government regulator) is agreeable to flexibility around the valuation method and negotiation time-scale. According to a USS document dated 17 November and signed by USS CEO Bill Galvin: “tPR (the Pensions Regulator) has … confirmed the proposed assumptions [of the September valuation] are at the very limit of what it would find acceptable.” By reverting to the September valuation UUK can meet the UCU proposal making it feasible by retaining defined benefits by more modest and affordable increases in contributions of 2.4% employer (from 18% to 20.4%) and 1.3% member (from 8% to 9.3%).

6. Finally, unspinning of the impact of UUK’s proposal:

UUK released its modelling in December that, they claimed, showed that people would receive 80-90% of what they would under the previous arrangements. Unfortunately, this modelling was a masterpiece in spin, with investment forecasts used which were significantly higher than those in the USS valuation (and which would show a surplus if applied there!) along with including state pension in the estimates! Un-spinning the proposals shows that 50-75% would have been a more accurate claim. The decision made at last week’s JNC meeting by a single individual removed a staggering £38 billion from our future pensions.

Crunch Time for USS

Given the distance between the two sides, with the employers seeking to change pensions into stocks and shares, a casino pension; and UCU insisting on pension that guarantees income in retirement, we do not know what the outcome of this will be. But there are options.

In the short term, UUK needs to abandon its bellicose position and revert to September valuation, that will make UCU proposal feasible to retain defined benefits. Of course we are not underestimating the magnitude of this challenge, which would also require influencing the Pensions Regulator to accept the previous valuation, but this is possible if both sides decide to work together to find a solution that meets employers fiduciary responsibilities towards their staff.

We think that there is a lot more that Government could do to shoulder some, if not all, of the risk. It is surely anomalous that UK pre-92 universities have a pension scheme with no government guarantee, whereas our colleagues in many other European countries, post-92 universities, schools and FE colleges, the NHS and government, all have pensions underwritten by the state.
 
Well don’t give up before the first day as that’s the litmus test for who you’re fighting as to whether they’ll win or not. If everyone gives up they’ve won. Of course most will struggle for 14 days but so will the opposition.
You're RMT right? How many days did Northern and Southern RMT members strike for in 2017?
 
Just been talking to a UCU rep and apparently the plan is for a two-day strike in week 1, then three days the following week, four days the week after that, and five days in week four. That's 14 days without pay in February and March. :(

Hardship funds at branch level, strike pay capped at £75 a day after 3 or 4 days from national. I believe.

There is help there if you ask for it so please everyone do that if you need to. As redsquirrel said there's absolutely no point in striking for 2 days and giving up. If it weren't for our history of doing exactly that I doubt the attack on pensions would be so massive. This needs to be seen as a test of our organisation - if we can't take members with us and do this then we might as well stop bothering with national bargaining until such time as we can cos we can't back it up.
 
Two big bits of good news today!

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Also BREAKING: MP pulls out of university event to avoid crossing picket line

Could do with a couple more VC's breaking ranks before the action starts.
 
Hardship funds at branch level, strike pay capped at £75 a day after 3 or 4 days from national. I believe.

There is help there if you ask for it so please everyone do that if you need to. As redsquirrel said there's absolutely no point in striking for 2 days and giving up. If it weren't for our history of doing exactly that I doubt the attack on pensions would be so massive. This needs to be seen as a test of our organisation - if we can't take members with us and do this then we might as well stop bothering with national bargaining until such time as we can cos we can't back it up.
the strike fund isn't going to be that generous, and will (as is right) start with the more vulnerable - phd/ecrs/fragile contracts etc. Which still leaves the rest of us skint as fuck :(
I've heard that the hope is it won't take more than the first 5 days. Not so sure I believe that tbh. I'm the only person in my office unionised. This is going to make for fucking uncomfortable work place life.
Still out though.
 
In my experience, there would be planned strike action but the Uni management liaised with certain union reps to ensure the strike was on a day when there would be minimal disruption (e.g. Wednesday - where inter uni sports events are held) thus neutering the effects. I got annoyed from the point of view that, if I was going to lose a day’s pay, the strike should cause as much disruption as possible (Monday, Tuesday or Thursday) . This and too many non-unionised staff fucked it for everyone who was taking part. Very demoralising. Sometimes you feel like the standard bearer for an obsolete idea.
 
In my experience, there would be planned strike action but the Uni management liaised with certain union reps to ensure the strike was on a day when there would be minimal disruption (e.g. Wednesday - where inter uni sports events are held) thus neutering the effects. I got annoyed from the point of view that, if I was going to lose a day’s pay, the strike should cause as much disruption as possible (Monday, Tuesday or Thursday) . This and too many non-unionised staff fucked it for everyone who was taking part. Very demoralising. Sometimes you feel like the standard bearer for an obsolete idea.
That's why this action is better, the two, three, four, five day stoppages should stop (or at least reduce) that type of nonsense.
 
Actually would appreciate thoughts from anyone in the other unions tbh.

As a Unison member what to do - while I want to support the strike it's not my union, I haven't had a vote and potentially 14 days is a lot. And if I'm entirely honest I don't see UCU or the academic staff going out in support of the SAUL scheme. Thoughts?
 
I got this in an email from them the other day:

UNISON Advice


UNISON encourages members in universities to support their UCU colleagues on picket lines and lunchtime protests and attend rallies organised by UCU. Branches are encouraged to engage with the local UCU branch to see what activities are taking place on site and think of ways that we can show solidarity, within the constraints of current legislation.


However, UNISON members in universities have not yet been balloted in relation to the USS dispute, and therefore must continue with their normal duties and responsibilities. However UNISON members should not take on any additional responsibilities given to them as a result of the UCU industrial action. If members are instructed by their manager to undertake additional duties resulting from the industrial action they should contact their branch or regional office for further advice


Members are reminded that due to industrial relations legislation only those employees who have been involved in a legal ballot are allowed to take industrial action.

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Official Picket Lines


Refusal to cross an official picket line could render members of staff liable to disciplinary action including deduction of salary. The exception to this is where there are genuine grounds to believe that crossing the picket line could put the person concerned at risk of injury.


UNISON members are advised that they should assure the UCU members that they will not undertake any work normally done by those on strike.
 
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