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Turkey, ISIS, Kurds and Syria

Casually Red said:
I first encountered their political wing at some meetings in belfast a good many years back when they were on mass hunger strike in the Turkish prisons . Horrific death toll and not all from starvation . A lot of them were burned and crushed alive too .
They're pretty hardcore, to put it mildly . Like the Kurds ,women fighters have always been prominent with them too . Their supporters would have been among those killed in that suicide bombing and individual members would be in there fighting alongside the Kurds

One of their former leaders is running a Marxist Leninist guerilla group in Latakia , fighting on the Syrian side naturally .

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I struggle to work out what Assad Junior has to do with class/emancipatory politics, but I get your general point.
 
Casually Red said:
They need to be exterminated ,root and branch . Every last fucking one of them . Absolutely no rules with this vermin .
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Thats it for me now after reading that (I know its been out there and plenty of others have said the same) but recruiting off the back of that and enshrining mass rape including children? There is no other way. Rules? Maybe don't give OUR criminals a free hand for further injustice. They have used justifiable outrage for their own perverted ends before. But yes I hope they all get killed soon.

Fuck!
 
Yeah Humberto im not usually a violent person but i find myself hoping they all get killed. Especially the ones who've come from the west, its one thing if you've grown up in a warzone where life is cheap, tho still not excusable, but the brits and french, australians, americans etc got no excuse
 
http://www.vox.com/2015/8/13/9149967/isis-rape

Scum


But just as raping Yazidi women is a signifier of victory for ISIS, so too can it be a signifier of defeat. The fear that outsiders could rape women associated with ISIS is thus seen as the ultimate dishonor, not because of the pain it will cause those women, but because of the slight to the honor of ISIS's men.

That helps to explain why ISIS has devoted so many resources to its horrifying infrastructure of sexual abuse: Rape is not merely a recruiting tool designed to appeal to frustrated men in a sexually conservative society, it's a way to continually demonstrate the group's power, and a conspicuous symbol of its victories in battle.
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Just seen on twitter the scum are moving a serious amount of reinforcements and equipment to Deir ez zor , going for a major siege on One of the last major Syrian outpost in that neck of the woods . Syrian forces there are commanded by the very popular and effective Druze general , Issam Zahreddine . Who makes a point of fighting personally on the front lines and enduring the same privations as his fellow soldiers . Surprised he wasnt killed long ago as hes pretty recognisable and a prime target for any sniper , with a massive bounty on his head . He's a right hard bastard , and tipped by some as a possible replacement for Assad if that situation ever arose, so it looks like IS are rolling out the kitchen sink to try and get him.

Eta

There's a few dead daesh in that video so watch at your own discretion .



Elsewhere it seems they've lost a serious amount of manpower repeatedly trying to take the besieged kuweires airbase . The poor bastards defending there have been stuck there for 3 years , and only went there as cadets for additional training when it got surrounded . 3 fucking years of that shit...doesn't bear thinking about . Syrian army have launched a major 3 pronged offensive to try and relieve them . Think they've done their bit by any stretch of the imagination .
 
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I wish they wouldn't use all that dreadful music. It's not some action movie, it cheapens everything.

Oh and they even used slow motion in it at one point.

It's like 'These are real people fighting and dying here'.

Maybe it's what passes as propaganda/morale booster. :(
 
There's likely to have been some left in Syria


they put that forward as one of the possible means in the vid anyway
 
teqniq said:
There's likely to have been some left in Syria


they put that forward as one of the possible means in the vid anyway
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Aye, but doesn't it tend to degrade, go off, over time?

Fuchs66, can you help us with that one - do stocks of chemical weapons remain viable over a long or short time? (you might not be in a position to answer that one, so no worries if so)
 
Idris2002 said:
Aye, but doesn't it tend to degrade, go off, over time?

Fuchs66, can you help us with that one - do stocks of chemical weapons remain viable over a long or short time? (you might not be in a position to answer that one, so no worries if so)
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Can't say anything directly to do with this case, but I used to work in Germany recovering and destroying chemical weapons from both world wars (old test range). We had occasions where Mustard filled munitions from the 1st WW still had contents with a purity of 90+%. The "shelf life" does depend a great deal on type of agent (Mustard being one of the more "long lived"), initial purity of the agent (and types of impurities present), quality of construction of the munition and the environmental conditions present.
 
teqniq said:
Could this be spun as 'I told you there were WMD's in Iraq' by certain interested parties? I hope not. :hmm:
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No more than last year when the fact there were chemical weapons in Iraq was news. They weren't able to use the discoveries to justify the invasion.
http://news.yahoo.com/chemical-weapons-found-in-iraq-nyt-report-135347507.html
American troops found nearly 5,000 abandoned chemical weapons in Iraq from 2004 to 2011, but their discoveries were kept secret by the U.S. government, the New York Times reports.


According to the 10,000-word, eight-part interactive report ("The Secret Casualties of Iraq's Abandoned Chemical Weapons") by C.J. Chivers published on the paper's website late Tuesday, at least 17 American service members and seven Iraqi police officers were exposed to nerve or mustard agents in Iraq after 2003.

On at least six occasions, American troops and American-trained Iraqi troops were wounded by the abandoned munitions, but news of the encounters was neither shared publicly nor widely circulated among the troops, the victims told the Times. Others said they were told to be vague or deceptive about what they found.

"'Nothing of significance’ is what I was ordered to say,” Jarrod Lampier, a retired Army major, said of the 2006 discovery of 2,400 nerve-agent rockets at a former Republican Guard compound, the largest chemical weapons discovery of the war.

The paper also published heavily redacted intelligence documents it obtained under the Freedom of Information Act.

Among the reasons for the secrecy? "The discoveries of these chemical weapons did not support the government’s invasion rationale," Chivers writes. "After the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, [President George W.] Bush insisted that [Iraqi leader Saddam] Hussein was hiding an active weapons of mass destruction program, in defiance of international will and at the world’s risk. United Nations inspectors said they could not find evidence for these claims."

The discovery of pre-Gulf War chemical weapons — most of them "filthy, rusty or corroded" — did not fit the narrative.

“They needed something to say that after Sept. 11 Saddam used chemical rounds,” Lampier said. “And all of this was from the pre-1991 era.”

“I love it when I hear, ‘Oh there weren’t any chemical weapons in Iraq,’” Jarrod L. Taylor, a former Army sergeant, told the paper. “There were plenty.”
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teqniq said:
There's likely to have been some left in Syria


they put that forward as one of the possible means in the vid anyway
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My money would be on Libya, after NATO handed its labs facilities and arms stockpiles up to this sort of animal on a plate with that " no fly zone ".
 
teqniq said:
I wish they wouldn't use all that dreadful music. It's not some action movie, it cheapens everything.

Oh and they even used slow motion in it at one point.

It's like 'These are real people fighting and dying here'.

Maybe it's what passes as propaganda/morale booster. :(
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It's primarily aimed at their own troops and militia fighters . Who are in the business of killing as many of the other lot as possible . I've only posted to illustrate the chap in question leading from the front .

Actually there was a better one were a daesh RPG is clearly visible whizzing over his head but I thought that a little too sensational .
 
I have to agree with Philip on this- we now have the emotional triggers lined up if needed- not just random faceless middle eatern types being abused and killed, but real people with a story now. As terrible and sickening as they are. ( use of real people is not as heartless as it sounds IYKWIM)
 
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