tube party on june 1st?

[nosos]

But let's go to an ale house and not hop on a bus.

But what harm is being done if you have a can on the bus on the way home?

 

[scifisam]

It's self evident - why the need to consume a drug which alters behaviour, perception, co-ordination etc in a non-licenced and non-controlled environment?

Booze? Fill your boots! I'll buy you one. Here...have two! But let's go to an ale house and not hop on a bus.

It's not self-evident at all. You really do have to give some evidence that drinking on the tube causes problems.

 

[ajdown]

And if "I don't like x" is a reasonable grounds in itself for legislating against something, does ajdown accept the frankly quite scary conclusions of this? Or is alcohol somehow a special case?

Of course it's potentially scary if taken to the extreme, but we're only talking about stopping drinking alcohol on public transport for crying out loud.

You see a lot of things against Christians in the media, but I don't see much round here being said in support of their rights.

 

[Guineveretoo]

It's self evident - why the need to consume a drug which alters behaviour, perception, co-ordination etc in a non-licenced and non-controlled environment?

Booze? Fill your boots! I'll buy you one. Here...have two! But let's go to an ale house and not hop on a bus.

But I like to have a can of lager on my way to a gig! Honestly. I do. I am not just being controversial. I really do like to have a can of lager on the way to Offline. Calms my nerves of meeting up with all the weirdos from the internet, too, but that's a side issue

Besides, you have never offered to buy me a drink, and I didn't think you would, since you are openly teetotal, so I wouldn't ask you to! However, since you are offering. I will have two pints of lager, please.

 

[lights.out.london]

But what harm is being done if you have a can on the bus on the way home?

*weeps*

*reaches for librium*

Is librium allowed on transport?

*grabs Oyster card and heads for the 53 to Plumstead*

 

[Minnie_the_Minx]

But I like to have a can of lager on my way to a gig! Honestly. I do. I am not just being controversial. I really do like to have a can of lager on the way to Offline. Calms my nerves of meeting up with all the weirdos from the internet, too, but that's a side issue

Besides, you have never offered to buy me a drink, and I didn't think you would, since you are openly teetotal, so I wouldn't ask you to! However, since you are offering. I will have two pints of lager, please.

No crisps?

(Actually, crisps should be banned as they're smelly - unless it's you that's eating them)

 

[lights.out.london]

But I like to have a can of lager on my way to a gig! Honestly. I do. I am not just being controversial. I really do like to have a can of lager on the way to Offline. Calms my nerves of meeting up with all the weirdos from the internet, too, but that's a side issue

Besides, you have never offered to buy me a drink, and I didn't think you would, since you are openly teetotal, so I wouldn't ask you to! However, since you are offering. I will have two pints of lager, please.

I bought you a drink at PRoD!

But I shall explode the myth of the Scotsman and buy you another one next time I see you.

 

[nosos]

Back on ignore you go you sad repetative twat

 

[ajdown]

But you do seem to think that you have widespread support for such a ban, despite this not appearing to be demonstrated on this thread, at least.

As I've stated before, this thread - and this forum generally - does not represent an accurate cross-section of the population. Hence, you aren't going to necessarily get the same results here as you might in a national newspaper.

It's like the old advertisment: "Inexpensive clothing for the mature fuller figure" is the same thing as "Cheap dresses for fat old women" ... both saying the same thing, but you'd get a very different reaction.

 

[nosos]

Of course it's potentially scary if taken to the extreme, but we're only talking about stopping drinking alcohol on public transport for crying out loud..

But why if it's right to ban alcohol on this basis, is it wrong to ban other things on the same basis?

 

[lights.out.london]

Back on ignore you go you sad repetative twat

Had you on ignore for yonks you pretentious little cock. Say it to my face next time, shitface.

 

[nosos]

As I've stated before, this thread - and this forum generally - does not represent an accurate cross-section of the population. Hence, you aren't going to necessarily get the same results here as you might in a national newspaper..

That's certainly true. It's important to be wary of any polling data there is on this though - someone saying "yes" to a question "do you support a ban on the tube?" doesn't entail (a) that they think it's an important issue (b) that they are offended by it in the same way you are. I'd still love to see any polling data though. I bet BoJo got some done internally.

 

[Guineveretoo]

No crisps?

(Actually, crisps should be banned as they're smelly - unless it's you that's eating them)

I only eat plain crisps, so not too smelly.

I think a can of lager and a packet of plain crisps on the bus on the way to a gig, is a great idea. Not going to happen anymore, because I am far too much of a scaredy cat to break any laws.

 

[rutabowa]

aggression is the greater problem than drinking don't you all think?

 

[Guineveretoo]

I bought you a drink at PRoD!

But I shall explode the myth of the Scotsman and buy you another one next time I see you.

Did you? Oh dear. I honestly don't remember that. I wasn't drunk at that stage, either.

I am so sorry. Thanks ever so much.

Must be my round then.

 

[ajdown]

someone saying "yes" to a question "do you support a ban on the tube?" doesn't entail (a) that they think it's an important issue (b) that they are offended by it in the same way you are.

Are any of the 'opinion polls' we see truly representative though?

 

[nosos]

I've still yet to see any argument that drinking on the tube (as opposed to people being drunk) is any sort of social problem at all. As opposed to it being a personal problem for some people who, for a whole variety of reasons, hate the stuff & don't want to be round it.

 

[Guineveretoo]

As I've stated before, this thread - and this forum generally - does not represent an accurate cross-section of the population. Hence, you aren't going to necessarily get the same results here as you might in a national newspaper.

It's like the old advertisment: "Inexpensive clothing for the mature fuller figure" is the same thing as "Cheap dresses for fat old women" ... both saying the same thing, but you'd get a very different reaction.

Oh, national newspapers are how we measure the views of the population?

 

[ajdown]

aggression is the greater problem than drinking don't you all think?

Absolutely... but isn't a lot of aggresion following consuming alcohol, which has an amplified effect in the hot stuffy atmosphere of the tube?

 

[lights.out.london]

Did you? Oh dear. I honestly don't remember that. I wasn't drunk at that stage, either.

I am so sorry. Thanks ever so much.

Must be my round then.

I did a round when we got off the bus. I guess you were included along with t'rest? I remember it cos the bar person got the whole thing arse about face.

 

[nosos]

Are any of the 'opinion polls' we see truly representative though?

It's not a zero-sum thing. It depends on how the poll was designed, how questions was constructed, the size of the sample, the method of sampling etc. There's huge problems with all sorts of social research that takes place on that sort of scale but it's a starting point at the very least and you can do stuff with it as long as you always take it with a pinch of salt.

 

[ajdown]

Oh, national newspapers are how we measure the views of the population?

I've not seen many 'front pages' blaming Boris for the fiasco of Saturday night, have you?

 

[Crispy]

Had you on ignore for yonks you pretentious little cock. Say it to my face next time, shitface.

Could you put him on ignore, or lay off the insults please (both of you, really)

 

[rutabowa]

Absolutely... but isn't a lot of aggresion following consuming alcohol, which has an amplified effect in the hot stuffy atmosphere of the tube?

i have never seen a case where someone gets on the tube fine, drinks a can of beer, and then turns aggressive, if that is what you mean? Sometimes people who don't drink argue on the bus though, and to be honest i dislike that, so ban them. this girl sat in front of me was splitting up with her boyfriend, no need for that on the bus.

 

[lights.out.london]

Could you put him on ignore, or lay off the insults please (both of you, really)

Erm. He started it. Miss. Lol.

Okay. Sure.

 

[nosos]

Could you put him on ignore, or lay off the insults please (both of you, really)

Aye.. I made the mistake of pruning my ignore list, now rectified...

 

[ajdown]

i have never seen a case where someone gets on the tube fine, drinks a can of beer, and then turns aggressive, if that is what you mean? Sometimes people who don't drink argue on the bus though, and to be honest i dislike that, so ban them. this girl sat in front of me was splitting up with her boyfriend, no need for that on the bus.

The problem is that you don't know if this is their first or 10th can of the night. Normal tube behaviour such as accidently knocking into someone that a sober person would just brush off as 'one of those things' might turn into a punch up because someone has a much lower tolerance level after a beer or 4.

As for the arguing, totally in agreement - was this face to face, or on a mobile phone (loud conversations on which should be banned too).

 

[nosos]

As for the arguing, totally in agreement - was this face to face, or on a mobile phone (loud conversations on which should be banned too).

Who do you think is going to enforce all these bans you're advocating?

 

[nosos]

Normal tube behaviour such as accidently knocking into someone that a sober person would just brush off as 'one of those things' might turn into a punch up because someone has a much lower tolerance level after a beer or 4.

The problem is that they are drunk not that they are drinking.

 

[rutabowa]

The problem is that you don't know if this is their first or 10th can of the night. Normal tube behaviour such as accidently knocking into someone that a sober person would just brush off as 'one of those things' might turn into a punch up because someone has a much lower tolerance level after a beer or 4.

luckily now noone who has had 9 beers will ever be able to get on the tube.