tube party on june 1st?

[Spymaster]

Edit: You think people should be banned from doing stuff if it makes it less pleasent for you? Have you ever actually thought through how free anyone would be if this were applied reciprically? If anything that impinged on the pleasure of another were banned we would, literarly be living in a totalitarian state.

Well you've made me think about it.

I try not to negatively impact other peoples lives as much as possible. I avoid eating, drinking, farting etc. in public because I don't want to offend anyone.

I find the consumption of alcohol on trains discourteous to fellow travellers, not harmful.

There are many hundreds of thousands of people who don't drink for various reasons, some of whom will be offended by the consumption of booze on tubes.

I think that anyone who can't hang on for a few minutes until they are out of a tightly enclosed public space before cracking open a can should be receiving help.

I think the British drinking culture is shit, and that the loss/gain ratio of stopping boozing on tubes will be generally advantageous to the majority of tube users (lost=nothing, gained=a more pleasant journey for all but the drinkers).

 

[ajdown]

Who do you think is going to enforce all these bans you're advocating?

That's the unfortunate part, there aren't enough police to go around without this additional work for them to do.

Wouldn't it be so much nicer if people just followed the laws of this country put in place by our democratically elected representatives.

 

[Guineveretoo]

I did a round when we got off the bus. I guess you were included along with t'rest? I remember it cos the bar person got the whole thing arse about face.

That was very kind of you.

I take it this was not one of the occasions when I had a can of lager on the bus, then?

 

[ajdown]

luckily now noone who has had 9 beers will ever be able to get on the tube.

Ten was an arbitrary number. Everyone has their own tolerances.

 

[lights.out.london]

That was very kind of you.

I take it this was not one of the occasions when I had a can of lager on the bus, then?

No. You were sans beer. Not even a can of cider and a dog on a bit of string!

 

[rutabowa]

Ten was an arbitrary number. Everyone has their own tolerances.

yes. i know.

 

[nosos]

I try not to negatively impact other peoples lives as much as possible. I avoid eating, drinking, farting etc. in public because I don't want to offend anyone.

I find the consumption of alcohol on trains discourteous to fellow travellers, not harmful.

I see that as common courteousy. It's a virtue & it's something all-too-frequently lacking in a busy city. I just don't think it's a good idea to legislate on it because (a) it has to be enforced & inevitably they are the sorts of low-level offences which are either nigh on impossible to enforce and/or detract police from far more important matters (b) there's the inevitable slipperly slope in a modern fragmented and multicultural society where there are whole variety of interpretations of what constitutes proper behaviour. Where harm's done to people then there is a social problem. In the absense of such harm then it's a personal problem. This is no way means it's not real, or that the harm done isn't important, just that it's not the role of the state to legislate on the matter.

I think that anyone who can't hang on for a few minutes until they are out of a tightly enclosed public space before cracking open a can should be receiving help.

But tbh I think it says more about you that you seemingly think the only reason anyone could possibly want to drink while in transit is that they're an alcoholic? I'm sorry if that sounds abrasive (I don't mean to be) I think it's true though. Paritcularly given the number of people on this thread who've professed otherwise.

I think the British drinking culture is shit, and that the loss/gain ratio of stopping boozing on tubes will be generally advantageous to the majority of tube users (lost=nothing, gained=a more pleasant journey for all but the drinkers).

But to say it's a "more pelasant journey" implies that the drinkers (as opposed to the drunks where the harm is done by the alcohol they consumer prior to transit) are doing some harm to those who aren't drinking. I'm still not sure what exactly this harm is.

 

[laptop]

So.

We have a couple of posters who, at least, just like to say "tut!" and possibly just like banning things.

And one who as far as I an tell just likes arguing.





Can I put it on the record that the last time I drank alcohol on the Underground it was a moderately nice Merlot, with wineglasses, and we were very happy, and the people around us were without exception happy for us.

 

[nosos]

Wouldn't it be so much nicer if people just followed the laws of this country put in place by our democratically elected representatives.

Which would be easier if they stopped trying to solve every problem through legislation. It's difficult to encourage personal responsibility when the government sends out the message that it can solve any and every problem from whitehall.

 

[cesare]

How's this:

I try not to negatively impact other peoples lives as much as possible. I avoid eating, drinking, farting etc. in public because I don't want to offend anyone.

I find the consumption of meat on trains discourteous to fellow travellers, not harmful.

There are many hundreds of thousands of people who don't eat meat for various reasons, some of whom will be offended by the consumption of meat on tubes.

I think that anyone who can't hang on for a few minutes until they are out of a tightly enclosed public space before consuming a ham sandwich should be receiving help.

I think the British meat eating culture is shit, and that the loss/gain ratio of stopping meat consumption on tubes will be generally advantageous to the majority of tube users (lost=nothing, gained=a more pleasant journey for all but the meat eaters).

?

 

[lights.out.london]

Can I put it on the record that the last time I drank alcohol on the Underground it was a moderately nice Merlot, with wineglasses, and we were very happy, and the people around us were without exception happy for us.

Can I recommend a Northstar 2004 "Columbia Valley" Merlot, c£20 pb. It travels well.

Boom tish!

 

[Badgers]

It has all beee said before but........

No issue with being drunk on the tube as long as you are not aggressive
Not allowed to have a drink on the tube even if you do not litter or anything
Fine to drink orange squash from a hip flask

Still okay to eat fried chicken off the bone, whilst listening to loud music on your tinny mobile

 

[bluestreak]

Heh, some lass once told me off for eating on a train. I pulled out my burger (i was drunk, it was the last train, you know how it is), and she leaned over and said "excuse me, i'm a vegetarian you know and that meat smell is horrible". I lifted the top bun off and said "so am i, it's a veggie burger". Long pause. "oh", she said, "ok then".

 

[Crispy]

Heh, some lass once told me off for eating on a train. I pulled out my burger (i was drunk, it was the last train, you know how it is), and she leaned over and said "excuse me, i'm a vegetarian you know and that meat smell is horrible". I lifted the top bun off and said "so am i, it's a veggie burger". Long pause. "oh", she said, "ok then".

I bet that felt fucking fantastic

 

[bluestreak]

I bet that felt fucking fantastic

More than you can possibly imagine.

 

[Nixon]

Hmmmm im just trying to trail back this thread to find out what actually happened..I heard they just shut down the line after a while or something but I thought that was pretty inevitable with 10000 people possibly attending and it being splashed all over the papers before the event..it's obviously a pretty dangerous place to have a party.

I was going to go but got wrapped up in helping set up a squat party and then getting trashed at said party till sunday eve.

 

[nosos]

and I would have cracked up if I'd been a random listening to the conversation...

 

[laptop]

Heh, some lass once told me off for eating on a train. I pulled out my burger (i was drunk, it was the last train, you know how it is), and she leaned over and said "excuse me, i'm a vegetarian you know and that meat smell is horrible". I lifted the top bun off and said "so am i, it's a veggie burger". Long pause. "oh", she said, "ok then".

Which is the whole point: it's all about going "tut!".

Research shows that loud music causes heart attacks.

Oh no it doesn't: it shows an association. It's the anger that loud music causes - largely at lack of control, I suggest - that causes heart attacks. See one poster lately reappeared in this parish.

 

[Oswaldtwistle]

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/stand...inking+binge+leader+is+City+banker/article.do

puts this party in a somewhat different light, IMHO

 

[DotCommunist]

That bastion of unbiased journalism, the stannah

 

[Oswaldtwistle]

That bastion of unbiased journalism, the stannah

I suppose they faked the youtube video too

 

[Citizen66]

How do all these people who's noses are so sensitive to the smells of any kind of liqueur cope at functions such as weddings and birthdays?

Do they wear pegs on their hooters if they're forced to socialise down at the pub? Does alcohol smell less repugnant in public houses?

Some people are coming out with all manner of disingenuous old shite on this thread.

If I were to ban anything on the tube it would be the little wankers listening to shite music using the speakers of their mobile phones.

I can't say that I've actually seen that many people drinking on the tube for it to have ever been any kind of 'problem'.

 

[bluestreak]

Yet another Facebook events causes tens of thousands of pounds in damages - is anyone surprised. I am concenred that this was more a political event staged by militant Ken Livingstone supporters and the Labour Party should distance itself from this violence. There is more to this story.

- Joe, London

 

[lights.out.london]

How do all these people who's noses are so sensitive to the smells of any kind of liqueur cope at functions such as weddings and birthdays?

Do they wear pegs on their hooters if they're forced to socialise down at the pub? Does alcohol smell less repugnant in public houses?

Some people are coming out with all manner of disingenuous old shite on this thread.

If I were to ban anything on the tube it would be the little wankers listening to shite music using the speakers of their mobile phones.

I can't say that I've actually seen that many people drinking on the tube for it to have ever been any kind of 'problem'.

I think the point is that people don't want to deal with alcohol in a public space like a tube or bus. I don't think anyone is advocating prohibition.

I take your point about tinny music on phones etc,.

 

[Citizen66]

I think the point is that people don't want to deal with alcohol in a public space like a tube or bus. I don't think anyone is advocating prohibition.

I take your point about tinny music on phones etc,.

The biggest argument being trotted out is the 'smell'.

Do these people never go to the pub? How would they cope?

Other than that, someone necking a tin of fosters is no different than someone necking a tin of diet coke.

 

[winjer]

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/stand...inking+binge+leader+is+City+banker/article.do

puts this party in a somewhat different light, IMHO

Except for the fact that there wasn't just one party, nor just one organiser.

 

[lights.out.london]

The biggest argument being trotted out is the 'smell'.

Do these people never go to the pub? How would they cope?

Other than that, someone necking a tin of fosters is no different than someone necking a tin of diet coke.

Sure. But IME fizzy pop doesn't make people volatile in a space where most folk don't expect to have to deal with that kind of behaviour. You expect beer smells, sticky carpets, pissed people, shabby loos and the odd fight in bars etc. Not on transport.

 

[ajdown]

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/stand...inking+binge+leader+is+City+banker/article.do

puts this party in a somewhat different light, IMHO

Losing his job is too good for that tosser. I'd say a jail sentence for inciting a riot is more fitting.

 

[lights.out.london]

Losing his job is too good for that tosser. I'd say a jail sentence for inciting a riot is more fitting.

Lex talionis, dude. That's a bit harsh, eh?

 

[winjer]

I think the point is that people don't want to deal with alcohol in a public space like a tube or bus. I don't think anyone is advocating prohibition.

What about a public space like a park? And what evidence do you have that this group of people is so large that you don't need to quantify it?