Transgender is it just me that is totally perplexed?

[pengaleng]

assigned is just offensive to borg identities imo so i refuse to use it

 

[Jonti]

If it helps, both assigned and assessed have more than one meaning.

eta: here, the assignation of female is based on an anatomical assessment at birth

eta: our sexuality (qv) is a lot to do with our anatomy, which is how we are perceived by others (but not all others, of course)

 

[pengaleng]

thanks for sharing.

any reason you are?

its more to do with the mind, thats why people like shoes.

 

[Jonti]

Have we really got this far thinking about gender?

eta: surely we agree that the the shoes you like your "anatomical others" to see you wearing are a lot about this idea of "gender", but I'm just a nerd. Everyone likes shoes.

 

[pengaleng]

wearing? not that, no.

 

[Shechemite]

He has a point though, it is always the male autists that are the most destructive.

Care to elaborate?

 

[Jonti]

Care to elaborate?

 

[Jonti]

Only androids dream of electric fish?

 

[Jonti]

Good enough, but got any good adventure books for individual girls thinking they may be boys? Escaping from a submarine in your dreams sounds like something of an adventure book for girls, but still dreaming.

 

[Jonti]

Something to do with essentialism, dreams, and biology if I'm a terf, and the questions are about something called electric fish.

My father was always getting mixed up with essentialism, dreams and electricity and he often gets confused with Alan Turing too, but he was definitely not a terf or a fascist, whatever that is. He called electricity "Elect trickery" if that helps.

Quite happy to talk about what that means for individual electric fish though, just not here if that means anything to people who may be electric fish?

No questions. Lots of WTF though. There are some book titles that you just have to be extraordinarily careful to spell out exactly if you live in Brixton and can dream.

Other Minds by Peter Godfrey-Smith is one of them and I'm not dreaming.

 

[Red Cat]

Can you stop fucking about?

 

[mojo pixy]

He has a point though, it is always the male autists that are the most destructive.

Not where I work; the person most likely to hit you or throw something in your face or smash the place up is a woman.
The autistic men I work with are all quite chill by comparison.

 

[Shechemite]

Perhaps we should have a discussion whether it’s black men or black women who are most likely to be violent

 

[Clair De Lune]

backs away from thread. Did I drop acid...no I didn't. Hmm.

 

[Magnus McGinty]

Perhaps we should have a discussion whether it’s black men or black women who are most likely to be violent

Or whether black people like being used as a yard stick.

 

[campanula]

backs away from thread. Did I drop acid...no I didn't. Hmm.

Tempted to scurry off quicksmart myself. Not sure whether to invest the time and effort to do the (contentious) reading...or wander off to different untroubled pastures.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Perhaps we should have a discussion whether it’s black men or black women who are most likely to be violent

Can you not do this please. Bloody hell.

Sensible discussion was threatening to break out here.

 

[Shechemite]

Can you not. Bloody hell.

Sensible discussion was threatening to break out here.

The sensible discussion about whether it’s autistic men or women who are ‘the most destructive’.

A discussion started by snadge who has posted up anti autistic crap before (and refused to explain when called on it).

You’re happy with that?

 

[littlebabyjesus]

The sensible discussion about whether it’s autistic men or women who are ‘the most destructive’.

A discussion started by snadge who has posted up anti autistic crap before (and refused to explain when called on it).

You’re happy with that?

No I'm not. But bringing in race like that is a fucking shit way to respond.

 

[Shechemite]

No I'm not. But bringing in race like that is a fucking shit way to respond.

It’s shit to equate disabilist hate speech to racism. Right.

Crack on then

 

[Treacle Toes]

No I'm not. But bringing in race like that is a fucking shit way to respond.

Funny how people never use their own ethnicity in these shitty kinds of comparisons isn't it?

 

[trashpony]

Back on track and back on my concern for the health of transpeople - on changing medical records to reflect an acquired gender: Transgender records:
"The practice is advised to explain that the patient may not be contacted for current or future screening programmes associated with the sex at birth and explain the implications of this"

I fully understand why transpeople want to move beyond their deadname but I can't see how this is a good thing

 

[Athos]

Back on track and back on my concern for the health of transpeople - on changing medical records to reflect an acquired gender: Transgender records:
"The practice is advised to explain that the patient may not be contacted for current or future screening programmes associated with the sex at birth and explain the implications of this"

I fully understand why transpeople want to move beyond their deadname but I can't see how this is a good thing

People take all sorts of risks, for all sorts of reasons. I can't see that trans adults choosing to take that risk is an issue, really.

 

[pengaleng]

you can choose to not have treatment for cancer, so am pretty sure choosing not to have screening for it isnt a issue.

people still smoke with giant warnings on the packets that it will kill them.

I dont think other peoples medical choices or their records are anything to do with anyone else.

 

[trashpony]

People take all sorts of risks, for all sorts of reasons. I can't see that trans adults choosing to take that risk is an issue, really.

Well except there's no way of knowing if there's a higher risk of prostrate cancer or DVT or whatever in the trans population. Do we just say that's not that interesting and we don't care? How can we deliver public health programmes if we can't target those at risk?

ETA and what the is the point (and cost involved) of inviting transwomen for endless smears and mammograms?

 

[pengaleng]

Well except there's no way of knowing if there's a higher risk of prostrate cancer or DVT or whatever in the trans population. Do we just say that's not that interesting and we don't care? How can we deliver public health programmes if we can't target those at risk?

there is when they end up with symptoms or die, the same as anyone else who doesnt go for their appt.

but people who dont go to appts generally know the risk they take.

 

[pengaleng]

ETA and what the is the point (and cost involved) of inviting transwomen for endless smears and mammograms?

what happens to those who have had hysterectomies? do they still get invited for smears? if not then it'll be a similar system thats implemented, and anyone can get breast cancer. not quite sure why this was included.

 

[trashpony]

what happens to those who have had hysterectomies? do they still get invited for smears? if not then it'll be a similar system thats implemented, and anyone can get breast cancer. not quite sure why this was included.

You can still get cervical cancer if you've had a hysterectomy. And women get breast cancer in much much higher numbers than men.

But guess this is none of my business as you and Stella have made clear.

 

[pengaleng]

I aint got much interest in arguing about women, dont make out i am being a sly dickhead to you, me and stella what? I ainyt done shit all with stella or you so you need to watch the fuck what you say.

fucking have a word with yourself.

 

[Mungy]

I did have a leaflet about trans health issues. It'll be somewhere in this tip of a room. I'm supposed to be tidying it tomorrow. It had good info on it, if I find it I will read and tell you what it says, if someone hasn't already posted something up already or by then.