Transgender is it just me that is totally perplexed?

[Sea Star]

They can be trans exclusionary- but so are lots of people who aren't even feminist. It's nonsensical to call them all terfs.

They can also hold radical feminist views. And argue exactly as TERFs would. Sometimes it's impossible to tell if a person is male or female so I don't make the distinction. And in my experience there are way more men online holding TERF positions ( not just anti trans) than there are women. But hey! You don't have to believe me.

And it's also not about calling them TERFs which is pretty pointless, but about knowing who to engage with and who is probably a lost cause and likely to be a risk to me if I did engage.

 

[Sea Star]

To be fair people often get pulled up on here for declaring someones guilt before a trial has even taken place. Although like playing sport and humane prisons, perhaps the right to a fair trial is just something trans women will have to forego to protect the rights of all real women.

Real women?

 

[smokedout]

Nigel has been the biggest hack on this thread but you are a shining second.

Whilst you have been a fountain of wisdom and diplomacy.

 

[smokedout]

Real women?

Parody, intended to show what might underlie these attitudes.

 

[kabbes]

I think it's going to stick.

Dirty commies.

 

[Spymaster]

To be fair people often get pulled up on here for declaring someones guilt before a trial has even taken place.

To be fair most such warnings are summarily ignored. Until someone actually gets prosecuted for a similar post on a bulletin board I think most people will risk being the one in several million to attract legal attention.

 

[TopCat]

Whilst you have been a fountain of wisdom and diplomacy.

As always on these boards.

 

[TopCat]

Real women?

He is creating straw man positions to support his trans activist absolutist views.

 

[Athos]

Sometimes it's impossible to tell if a person is male or female...

No shit.

 

[mojo pixy]

YOU were the one bringing up neo-nazis!

Where? I literally never mentioned the fuckers till you did. Quote me or back up.

 

[Sea Star]

No shit.

Fuck you. You really are an enormous fucking arsehole.

 

[Pickman's model]

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[bimble]

To be fair people often get pulled up on here for declaring someones guilt before a trial has even taken place. Although like playing sport and humane prisons, perhaps the right to a fair trial is just something trans women will have to forego to protect the rights of all real women.

So much drama and nonsense. As to no sports and no humane prisons etc, day before yesterday this happened, so its not all bad.

 

[HoratioCuthbert]

So much drama and nonsense. As to no sports and no humane prisons etc, day before yesterday this happened, so its not all bad.

Are you trying to make a point about transgender people in general here or are you just sharing it as an example of bad things happening in the world

 

[bimble]

Point was just that smokedout’s hyperbole is silly.

 

[Pickman's model]

Point was just that smokedout’s hyperbole is silly.

How unlike your own hyperbole

 

[Magnus McGinty]

How unlike your own hyperbole

Stop needling bimble.

 

[kabbes]

Where? I literally never mentioned the fuckers till you did. Quote me or back up.

Nobody mentioned holocaust denial until you brought it up:

That would depend on whether someone was actually asking questions or "just asking questions" in the way eg antisemites go about "just asking questions" about the holocaust etc.

Questioning the ideology of gender identity is a bit like questioning whether the holocaust happened. Right.

It's the same "just asking questions". You know, the disingenuous stuff that has nothing to do with *actually* asking questions at all.

It was that exact line of reasoning I was objecting to by saying that it's not only neo-nazis (or, alright, "holocaust deniers" if you really must) that use socratic questioning as a rhetorical device.

 

[bimble]

Stop needling bimble.

 

[mojo pixy]

It was that exact line of reasoning I was objecting to by saying that it's not only neo-nazis (or, alright, "holocaust deniers" if you really must) that use socratic questioning as a rhetorical device.

So you're saying you mis read my posts, mentioned neo nazis, then blamed me.

That's ok. I don't expect an apology. The admission is all I was after.

No more on this, if you please.

 

[Nice one]

Just as a technical point this post is in breach of sub judice rules. Anything which offers an opinion on the guilt or innocence of the defendent or on disputed facts could be seen as contempt of court.

... only if it creates a substantial risk that the course of justice in the proceedings in question will be seriously impeded or prejudiced.

 

[Sea Star]

Point was just that smokedout’s hyperbole is silly.

I'm so glad that you think it's all so fucking funny. What are even here for if it's just to take the piss and keep telling us how silly trans women are!!

 

[Pickman's model]

Stop needling bimble.

How gentlemanly of you

 

[bimble]

I don't find any of this funny at all tbh Sea Star. And I did not call trans women silly, did I, just said Smokedout's straw-manning hyperole was.

 

[kabbes]

So you're saying you mis read my posts, mentioned neo nazis, then blamed me.

That's ok. I don't expect an apology. The admission is all I was after.

No more on this, if you please.

Do you think anything I said changes whether or not you stick with "holocaust deniers" or "neo-nazis"?
This is Pickman-level pedantry for the sake of avoiding the point.

 

[bimble]

Just on the 'asking questions' thing, can someone maybe post an example of a question that would be deemed simply a question and not a sign that the asker is a transphobe?

 

[trashpony]

I don't think anyone's ever going to accuse you of being funny Sea Star - one thing you don't have to worry about.

 

[Magnus McGinty]

How gentlemanly of you

Your photographic memory forgets the context?

 

[mojo pixy]

Do you think anything I said changes whether or not you stick with "holocaust deniers" or "neo-nazis"?
This is Pickman-level pedantry for the sake of avoiding the point.

Not all holocaust deniers are neo nazis. Not all dog whistlers are neo nazis. Ffs. There, I said it. Now can you stop this, it's pointless.

 

[Pickman's model]

I don't think anyone's ever going to accuse you of being funny Sea Star - one thing you don't have to worry about.

Funny peculiar perhaps