Transgender is it just me that is totally perplexed?

[HoratioCuthbert]

Trashpony you should've quit when you hit the bottom of the barrel a few weeks ago.

 

[Magnus McGinty]

Materialism out the window in favour of essentialism. Where does that leave class politics?

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Materialism out the window in favour of essentialism. Where does that leave class politics?

False dichotomy anyway. There is a material basis to our thoughts and feelings.

 

[Magnus McGinty]

False dichotomy anyway. There is a material basis to our thoughts and feelings.

Driven by the material reality of what we are, informed by what we experience?

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Driven by the material reality of what we are, informed by what we experience?

Essentially. The idea of a ghost in the machine adds zero explanatory value.

ETA:

To add to that, there are different levels of explanation that are appropriate or useful in different contexts, but none of those levels is in opposition to one another.

 

[HoratioCuthbert]

Driven by the material reality of what we are, informed by what we experience?

Is this all entirely based on yer reproductive organs or whit

 

[Spymaster]

I don't think anyone's ever going to accuse you of being funny Sea Star - one thing you don't have to worry about.

Ah, come on

 

[Magnus McGinty]

Is this all entirely based on yer reproductive organs or whit

My material reality of being a worker under capital exists, yes? It isn’t something I identify with or not.

 

[Sea Star]

I think you're humourless because I've never seen any evidence of you having an iota of humour. And I've largely ignored you, at least in the last six months, because you're so quick to cry bully and I'm not one. But whatever. I'm sure you'll do your usual emotional blackmail schtick.

yiu hate me because you hate trans women and you can fuck yourself right up the arse as far as I'm concerned. For someone who's not a bully you're doing a great fucking impression.


And i am a fucking woman - you and no-one else is taking that away from me. I've fought for years to be who i really am. Go away hateful bigot.

 

[mojo pixy]

You’re doing it again.

If A implies B, you cannot conclude B, therefore A.

Yes you can. Or C, D, or X. Your logical fallacy is: false dichotomy. Can we please leave this pointless blah.

 

[Sea Star]

bin this thread

 

[Sea Star]

where this thread should live

 

[Sea Star]

when i look at this hateful thread i see this

 

[Sea Star]

stop talking about other people like we're not here and can't see the shit you're saying about us

 

[HoratioCuthbert]

My material reality of being a worker under capital exists, yes? It isn’t something I identify with or not.

Is being a worker under capital the only thing that exists Magnus

 

[HoratioCuthbert]

Muh material realities

 

[Pickman's model]

when i look at this hateful thread i see this

Should have gone to specsavers

 

[trashpony]

yiu hate me because you hate trans women and you can fuck yourself right up the arse as far as I'm concerned. For someone who's not a bully you're doing a great fucking impression.
And i am a fucking woman - you and no-one else is taking that away from me. I've fought for years to be who i really am. Go away hateful bigot.

I don't hate transwomen but your life and your experience is not mine and mine is not yours. I wouldn't dream of trying to articulate what being a transwoman is like because it's not my experience. But equally I expect you to respect mine and it isn't the same as yours.

The fact that this is a really controversial thing to type is enormously fucked up.

 

[bimble]

something tells me this threads going to get binned soon.

 

[Magnus McGinty]

Is being a worker under capital the only thing that exists Magnus

No, I could be a millionaire. But I can’t just identify as being one. There’s a material reality to it.

 

[kabbes]

Yes you can. Or C, D, or X. Your logical fallacy is: false dichotomy. Can we please leave this pointless blah.

No, we certainly can’t leave it whilst you’re spouting demonstratively incorrect statements.

“A implies B. B, therefore A” is literally a textbook example of begging the question. The fact that you think there is nothing wrong with it is exactly the problem I am taking issue with.

You are declaring that questioning is prima facie evidence of bigotry and using this to label questioners as bigots. You are then declaring the assumption correct on the grounds you see your self-labelled bigots asking questions. This is the circular reasoning I am pointing out and it’s not some esoteric academic exercise — it’s all about the unfairness of you acting as judge and jury about people’s motives based on highly dubious grounds.

 

[bimble]

No, I could be a millionaire. But I can’t just identify as being one. There’s a material reality to it.

chrometophobe.

 

[HoratioCuthbert]

No, I could be a millionaire. But I can’t just identify as being one. There’s a material reality to it.

Is there a material reality to anything else besides being working class or upper class . You should see my amygdala it's way bigger than normal and has fucking sorted out some compensatory circuit with the wrong bits in my head. I identify with an extreme fear of everything!

Where does that leave class politics?!!!

Avoiding an argument because you aren't as annoying as other posters haha! Nae energy

 

[HoratioCuthbert]

Nightshift!

Thread, well until the auld yins are sleeping:

 

[kabbes]

bin this thread

You don’t personally actually have to have anything to do with this thread, you know. You can even ignore it. It’ll be in your own personal bin. The rest of us will somehow soldier on without you.

 

[Magnus McGinty]

Is there a material reality to anything else besides being working class or upper class . You should see my amygdala it's way bigger than normal and has fucking sorted out some compensatory circuit with the wrong bits in my head. I identify with an extreme fear of everything!

Where does that leave class politics?!!!

Avoiding an argument because you aren't as annoying as other posters haha! Nae energy

Ok this will be seen as controversial, but, if transwomen identify as women, what are they identifying with?
Surely ‘woman’ is someone’s lived experience as being a girl growing into one the same as working class is the experience of someone living as a person wage slaved to capital?
Hipsters steal working class culture and stick a higher price on it. I don’t think that a useful analogy though; but it’s happening.

 

[mojo pixy]

No, we certainly can’t leave it whilst you’re spouting demonstratively incorrect statements.

“A implies B. B, therefore A” is literally a textbook example of begging the question. The fact that you think there is nothing wrong with it is exactly the problem I am taking issue with.

You are declaring that questioning is prima facie evidence of bigotry and using this to label questioners as bigots. You are then declaring the assumption correct on the grounds you see your self-labelled bigots asking questions. This is the circular reasoning I am pointing out and it’s not some esoteric academic exercise — it’s all about the unfairness of you acting as judge and jury about people’s motives based on highly dubious grounds.

Or, a reader can read a post and conclude whatever they wish. Sorry about that.

 

[kabbes]

Or, a reader can read a post and conclude whatever they wish. Sorry about that.

Well, I’m helping readers form conclusions by pointing out where you are wrong. Sorry about that.

 

[mojo pixy]

that's just like, your opinion man.

eta, plus, I didn't know my own was so important. never mind.

 

[Magnus McGinty]

I’m sure that gender dysphoria is horrible and I’d always support anyone going through it and use the correct pronouns of their choosing.
But what’s happening here is trans ideology is attempting to trump feminism. I’ll never support that.