Transgender is it just me that is totally perplexed?

[Miranda Yardley]

Fuck you. It's not ok to respond to abuse with racist, sexist or homophobic comments and it's not ok to respond to abuse with transphobic shit, regardless of the abuse that's coming your way.

What have I said that is 'transphobic'?

 

[redsquirrel]

What’s transphobic about referring to pengaleng as a boy?

It's transphobic to refer to Sea Star as 'he', and I think the 'boys' was aimed at SS too.

 

[Miranda Yardley]

It's transphobic to refer to Sea Star as 'he', and I think the 'boys' was aimed at SS too.

No, it was aimed at the person I quoted. It is not an act of 'transphobia' to refuse to submit to someone's demand I suspend my disbelief and relationship with reality.

 

[redsquirrel]

Bullshit,

You boys really are a riot.

you used the plural on purpose.

And yes if someone in Sea Star's position asks to be referred to as she it's utterly shitty, and transphobic, not to have the solidarity or common courtesy to respect that. I have many, many issues with Sea Star's positions but only a cunt would call her 'he'.

 

[Wilf]

Well, that escalated quickly... over 157 pages.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

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You were put on forced ignore with SS for a reason, and to be fair to her that has to work both ways. Take this shit down. I will edit my posts accordingly when you've taken it down.

 

[ElizabethofYork]

Again, please show me one thing I have ever said that is 'bigoted' or 'hateful'. I notice your big long ad hominem in the absence of a substantive argument.

Calling Sea Star "he" is fucking hateful.

 

[Miranda Yardley]

You were put on forced ignore with SS for a reason, and to be fair to her that has to work both ways. Take this shit down. I will edit my posts accordingly when you've taken it down.

No, I certainly will not.

 

[Miranda Yardley]

Calling Sea Star "he" is fucking hateful.

Why is it hateful?

 

[bimble]

Am I cisgender?

This is great, thanks for posting it.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

No, I certainly will not.

Post reported. I very rarely do that, but there is a basic power imbalance here as she is unable to see your posts or to respond.

 

[MochaSoul]

No, I certainly will not.

Whatever grievances you may have against each other, don't you think it's unreasonable of you to be talking about SS when she can't see your posts?
I mean, where is the fairness in that?
Don't just reply with "She started it.". That's just childish. Please think about it

 

[Wilf]

Why is it hateful?

Go on, humour me: have a think about it, see what you come up with.

 

[smokedout]

I'm not familiar with the details of this act. Use of toilets and changing rooms aside (because that comes up a lot), what are the other impacts?

It would make it easier to legally change gender, and remove the need to provide reams of evidence. That's about all, the exemptions which permit women's only services to discriminate trans women was not part of the consultation and as such were likely to have remained - especially as the government had previously rejected this proposal.

 

[MochaSoul]

This is great, thanks for posting it.

Thanks, I found it in a Portuguese forum. It certainly identified a lot that I couldn't put my finger on.

 

[Miranda Yardley]

Whatever grievances you may have against each other, don't you think it's unreasonable of you to be talking about SS when she can't see your posts?
I mean, where is the fairness in that?
Don't just reply with "She started it.". That's just childish. Please think about it

I was responding to something someone else said. I'm sorry that person has apparently blocked me on here, I didn't even know this forum had such a facility.

If SS or anyone else would be interested in dialog, I'm always happy to oblige.

 

[smokedout]

Again, please show me one thing I have ever said that is 'bigoted' or 'hateful'. I notice your big long ad hominem in the absence of a substantive argument.

I said your movement, not you.

Do you condemn the transcrime website?

 

[Magnus McGinty]

I was responding to something someone else said. I'm sorry that person has apparently blocked me on here, I didn't even know this forum had such a facility.

If SS or anyone else would be interested in dialog, I'm always happy to oblige.

The editor forced the ignore as libel threats were flying about.

 

[FridgeMagnet]

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You’ve been put on mutual ignore to prevent escalating and disruptive personal attacks and I would ask that you kindly do not continue them despite this.

 

[Pickman's model]

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[Treacle Toes]

I was responding to something someone else said. I'm sorry that person has apparently blocked me on here, I didn't even know this forum had such a facility.

If SS or anyone else would be interested in dialog, I'm always happy to oblige.

I believe it was the editor that put you both on mutual ignore. That may have been requested by SS. When people are on mutual ignore it is expected that they wont refer to or talk about each other as well.

 

[smokedout]

Sex class is based upon reproduction, again please find me one single independently verified instance of a recorded conception and gestation by someone with a male reproductive system.



It's funny I get accused of black and white thinking yet here you are presenting a yes or no answer, when you beg the question...

Well unless you answer the question then I can only assume that you do not recognise intersex people living in the gender they choose.

The fact you can't give a straight answer shows the weakness of your position.

yes or no?

 

[Miranda Yardley]

It would make it easier to legally change gender, and remove the need to provide reams of evidence. That's about all, the exemptions which permit women's only services to discriminate trans women was not part of the consultation and as such were likely to have remained - especially as the government had previously rejected this proposal.

The evidence required for a GRC isn't onerous at all.

Do you feel that women's only services should by default have to accommodate 'trans women'? If so, at which point in the 'transition' does the 'trans woman' become entitled to those services?

 

[bimble]

Thanks, I found it in a Portuguese forum. It certainly identified a lot that I couldn't put my finger on.

Yep. I relate to everything she says completely, including the frustration with 'just pick another gender identity then' as the only offered solution.

 

[Miranda Yardley]

I believe it was the editor that put you both on mutual ignore. That may have been requested by SS. When people are on mutual ignore it is expected that they wont refer to or talk about each other as well.

Live I said, this is all new to me, and I didn't tag SS, even though I believe someone else did. I respect SS's right not to engage with me.

 

[Miranda Yardley]

Well unless you answer the question then I can only assume that you do not recognise intersex people living in the gender they choose.

The fact you can't give a straight answer shows the weakness of your position.

yes or no?

I refer you to my previous answer. Your question relies on a false premise.

 

[Treacle Toes]

Why is it hateful?

Because you absolutely know it will cause upset and offence. Whilst you can argue on the details of what it means to be a 'woman' in terms of biological sex and point out the differences between cis and transgender women, I don't see why you can't use the she/her pronouns for someone who is a transwoman even if you reject them.

 

[Treacle Toes]

Live I said, this is all new to me, and I didn't tag SS, even though I believe someone else did. I respect SS's right not to engage with me.

Fair enough if this forum rule/function is new to you and never been explained properly.

 

[Miranda Yardley]

You’ve been put on mutual ignore to prevent escalating and disruptive personal attacks and I would ask that you kindly do not continue them despite this.

Thanks for the message which I will respect. I was unaware of this until now.

 

[Pickman's model]

Live I said, this is all new to me, and I didn't tag SS, even though I believe someone else did. I respect SS's right not to engage with me.

You're not allowed to refer to her - in case you forgot / didn't care, here's the message

For the various reasons, I'm putting Miranda Yardley and Sea Star on mutual ignore.

This means that neither poster may respond to, or reference, the other.

Which despite people telling you about it you blithely ignored