Tory minister for civil society Brooks Newmark resigns after sex scandal

[Wilf]

Wonder which account he used for sending said images of his undercarriage? It would be even better if it was one of his official accounts.

 

[treelover]

I'm happy to see a scumbag MP get fucked up, humiliate himself, lose his career - obviously - just fuck the lot of 'em. At the same time, theoretically, I'd agree we have no need to know what consenting adults do in their private lives. Trouble with that line of argument is that he's using power and privilege to pursue that private life. It's pretty obvious that younger, female researchers, interns or whoever wouldn't normally be going anywhere near him in cyberspace or real life. This is the same as expecting bungs, cash for questions, switching mortgages - all about entitlement and advantage.

Mmm, now where has something like this power imbalance emerged before, and imo, for some time

 

[ViolentPanda]

No. Manufacture. Totally.



How was this "random"?

The Mirror expressly contrived to obtain a picture of his tool in order to dob him up. A picture that would never have existed had they not encouraged it by subterfuge.

Let's be honest, it's the fact that he's a tory that is achieving support here. If this had been Saint Livingstone, or Sir Robert of Crowe, back in the day, U75 would be shitting flames of rectal indignation at press entrapment.

You're pre-supposing that Livingstone or Crow would be gullible enough to fall for a honeytrap. Given the weight of monstering both got off the press, I'm not sure such a supposition would stand up.

 

[ViolentPanda]

He was the one going through his twitter feed and responding to the fit blond, do you imagine this bloke would have been so eager to reply if it was you following him?

Of course he would - it was a Tory! He'd have wanted to be up Spymaster like a rat up a drainpipe!

 

[Nylock]

You're pre-supposing that Livingstone or Crow would be gullible enough to fall for a honeytrap. Given the weight of monstering both got off the press, I'm not sure such a supposition would stand up.

It's basically a variation on the theme of: "You meanies picking on him cos he's a tory, what if it were one of you're sainted left-wingers -you wouldn't be so quick to judge then, would you?"

 

[tony heath]

Tory Politics is all about publicly wanking, ask Tim Bell

 

[Wilf]

The trouser press regulators?

MP for Corby?

 

[DotCommunist]

Andrew Sawford would never send out cock pics. Mensch's m8 Bozier did tho. To a 17 YO. What lovely human beings these people are

 

[Spymaster]

You are right, we can't assume he's done it before. I was travelling much of yesterday so didn't get to read much about this. However I got the idea the freelance behind the story was looking into it because MPs generally use social media to get sex with the 'come up and see my office' line. He might have been unlucky to be a random MP chosen for the sting, or he might have been someone with previous who the journo tried his luck with first. I'd guess at the latter, but yes, we don't know - he might just have been the victim of a general Parliamentary middle aged lechery.

Well that's what The Mirror have said but as you say the fact that he was one of 6 or 7 approached suggests more of a fishing expedition.

 

[marty21]

the most shocking thing about this is the discovery that ministers don't have civil servants to do this sort of thing for them.

i can imagine the scene

Caruthers! take a picture of my cock and send it via the twitter to @hornytorygirl

 

[Spymaster]

It's basically a variation on the theme of: "You meanies picking on him cos he's a tory, what if it were one of you're sainted left-wingers -you wouldn't be so quick to judge then, would you?"

Well I don't know about "meanies", the response has been as you'd expect from a left-leaning board. But it's exactly that, not a variation on it, posters have said as much. The point is that if we strip out the fact that this bloke is a tory arsehole the substantive area of the discussion changes to whether or not the press should be allowed to do this to anybody.

 

[DotCommunist]

as soon as they do it to someone who hasn't revoked his humanity and sold his soul to beelzebub I'll find it in me to rail against such an act

 

[andysays]

First they came for those who had revoked their humanity and sold their souls to beelzebub, but I didn't say anything because I hadn't revoked my humanity and sold my soul to beelzebub...

 

[butchersapron]

Freedom is always, and exclusively, freedom for the one who wants to send cockpics.

 

[DotCommunist]

talking of bozier, its a shame nomark didn't include the coup de grace of a wholly innacurate size boast

 

[Nylock]

Well I don't know about "meanies", the response has been as you'd expect from a left-leaning board. But it's exactly that, not a variation on it, posters have said as much. The point is that if we strip out the fact that this bloke is a tory arsehole the substantive area of the discussion changes to whether or not the press should be allowed to do this to anybody.

The response is what I would expect from anyone expressing disgust at some slimebag looking to get his leg-over behind his wife's back and sending knob pics of himself to the 'lucky' recipient -whether they be of the left or the right or the centre. The press entrapment side of it is a disturbing development. Then again, if you're above reproach (or at the least if you merely don't have the moral compass of a bonobo), a 'honeytrap' operation like this will have no success. No-one in this whole sordid episode comes out covered in glory, but nonetheless the dirty power-abusing, public-purse-abusing shitbag gets everything he deserves.

Actually he will properly get his if his wife sues for divorce.

 

[butchersapron]

Amercianism watch.

 

[Wilf]

talking of bozier, its a shame nomark didn't include the coup de grace of a wholly innacurate size boast

Had the mirror printed pictures, somewhere on the internet someone would have come up with an estimate - measuring the pixelated area against the Paisley pattern on a pair of Marks and Spence PJs.

 

[Nylock]

Amercianism watch.

sorry, will try to tone down the yankspeak somewhat -old chap!

 

[kebabking]

Well I don't know about "meanies", the response has been as you'd expect from a left-leaning board. But it's exactly that, not a variation on it, posters have said as much. The point is that if we strip out the fact that this bloke is a tory arsehole the substantive area of the discussion changes to whether or not the press should be allowed to do this to anybody.

i don't have a problem with it - its not entrapment, its 'would you like to behave in a spectacularly seedy and idiotic behaviour?', and this seedy idiot replied 'yes please!'.

entrapment would have been a real woman having a real, physical affair with him purely for the purposes of then exposing (Geddit????!!!!) him later, this is just a blanket email asking 'are you a fcukwit?'

moreover, yes, i do think there is a genuine public interest in this - Nomark might not be the worst of the 'traditional family values' offenders, but he's quite happily used the 'solid family man' stuff to get him selected and elected, and if he gets his cock out for ramdomers on the internet he's neither very honest about being 'solid family man', or very bright. and both of those are solid examples of public interest.

 

[Spymaster]

The response is what I would expect from anyone expressing disgust at some slimebag looking to get his leg-over behind his wife's back and sending knob pics of himself to the 'lucky' recipient -whether they be of the left or the right or the centre. The press entrapment side of it is a disturbing development. Then again, if you're above reproach (or at the least if you merely don't have the moral compass of a bonobo), a 'honeytrap' operation like this will have no success. No-one in this whole sordid episode comes out covered in glory, but nonetheless the dirty power-abusing, public-purse-abusing shitbag gets everything he deserves.

Ah, the Bahnhof Strasse analysis!

 

[Nylock]

Ah, the Bahnhof Strasse analysis!

It's been lovely engaging with you!

 

[Wilf]

If MPs are using hints of jobs, career enhancement, using Parliamentary tours and offices, all that stuff, there's a bit of a public interest. There's gender, there's abuse of power even. To be honest though, I don't give a shit whether we solemnify it in that way, I'm just happy some twat has got some shit to deal with - him and the political class have certainly dished enough out.

 

[Spymaster]

i don't have a problem with it - its not entrapment, its 'would you like to behave in a spectacularly seedy and idiotic behaviour?', and this seedy idiot replied 'yes please!'.

entrapment would have been a real woman having a real, physical affair with him purely for the purposes of then exposing (Geddit????!!!!) him later, this is just a blanket email asking 'are you a fcukwit?'

moreover, yes, i do think there is a genuine public interest in this - Nomark might not be the worst of the 'traditional family values' offenders, but he's quite happily used the 'solid family man' stuff to get him selected and elected, and if he gets his cock out for ramdomers on the internet he's neither very honest about being 'solid family man', or very bright. and both of those are solid examples of public interest.

I'll leave aside your first 2 sentences as they're obvious nonsense but there's some validity in your last point. It's a question of degree though. Is the level of public interest involved sufficient to warrant the manufacturing of this sort of behaviour to make the point? Where would you draw the line?

 

[tony heath]

If Brooks Newmark thought it was okay for a minister to get his cock out and post it to a complete unknown on the internet he would still be doing it now and the Mirrors story would be forgotten

 

[kebabking]

...Is the level of public interest involved sufficient to warrant the manufacturing of this sort of behaviour to make the point? Where would you draw the line?

i think 'manufacturing' is taking it a bit far - a hack sets up a twitter account, puts a picture of a pretty woman on the account and without any serious get-to-know-you asks a paunchy bloke in his mid-50's if he'd send 'her' a picture of his cock. 'she' didn't get him drunk at some obscure policy conference, 'she' didn't manufacture any kind of long-running or deep relationship, 'she' just did the digital equivilant of walked up to a complete stranger on the street and asked him if he'd show her his cock.

the line of entrapment or persuasion is a looonng way from this.

 

[butchersapron]

i think 'manufacturing' is taking it a bit far - a hack sets up a twitter account, puts a picture of a pretty woman on the account and without any serious get-to-know-you asks a paunchy bloke in his mid-50's if he'd send 'her' a picture of his cock. 'she' didn't get him drunk at some obscure policy conference, 'she' didn't manufacture any kind of long-running or deep relationship, 'she' just did the digital equivilant of walked up to a complete stranger on the street and asked him if he'd show her his cock.

the line of entrapment or persuasion is a looonng way from this.

It wasn't even that. There was no pic on twitter, none of the other stuff. That we'd what lead to him asking for a pic do bed recognise her on his proposed dirty day.

 

[Spymaster]

i think 'manufacturing' is taking it a bit far - a hack sets up a twitter account, puts a picture of a pretty woman on the account and without any serious get-to-know-you asks a paunchy bloke in his mid-50's if he'd send 'her' a picture of his cock. 'she' didn't get him drunk at some obscure policy conference, 'she' didn't manufacture any kind of long-running or deep relationship, 'she' just did the digital equivilant of walked up to a complete stranger on the street and asked him if he'd show her his cock.

the line of entrapment or persuasion is a looonng way from this.

Entrapment is a simple concept.

It's the causing of a situation that wouldn't have occurred otherwise.

That's exactly what has happened here.

 

[butchersapron]

Entrapment is a simple concept.

It's the causing of a situation that wouldn't have occurred otherwise.

That's exactly what has happened here.

There is no wouldn't in entrapment. You can assume they wouldn't have - you can't say they would not have.

 

[kebabking]

Entrapment is a simple concept.

It's the causing of a situation that wouldn't have occurred otherwise.

That's exactly what has happened here.

ridiculous definition of entrapment - your suggestion would mean that asking a politician if he is a money-laundering, people-trafficing nonce should not be allowed because in answering the question he might make an admission that he would otherwise not have made.