Tory minister for civil society Brooks Newmark resigns after sex scandal
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butchersapron
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He did pursue her - he followed her on twitter - and sent her direct messages on there, asked her to follow him on facebook and then invited her to an event and asked told her she could pop in to see him in parliament at any time she wished, then he asked if they could swap personal numbers - the personal number he then sent her pics of his cock on. Given we now know what he had on his mind i think it's safe to say that he pursued her. In fact, in his twisted tory mind, the pics of his cock were precisely pursuit. If he hadn't pursued her he'd be up for some sort of sex-crime right now.
And as if sending pics of your rotten tory to cock to people you hadn't pursued would somehow let him off the hook.
And as if sending pics of your rotten tory to cock to people you hadn't pursued would somehow let him off the hook.
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Brooks Newmark will be remembered as a Civic Society Cock, maybe Jonathan Hill or Tim Wanker Bell will give him a job
marty21
One on one? You're crazy.
he's loaded - the minister pay was pocket money to him
we've heard enough about what he holds in his pocket
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Plastic Paddy
I'm not so sure. He followed her on twitter after receiving "flattering messages" from her, she sent him the first picture, asked if they should "take it to the next level", told him she was on the bed .... blah blah blah.
So what's been uncovered by this is that he would have been unfaithful with a pretty girl, and sent her a photo of his rotten tory cock after she pressed him for one.
If there are MPs, or business people, or sports people, or film stars, etc, whose peccadilloes are to send nob-shots to other consenting adults, is it anyone elses business?
How do you mean?
andysays
Love and solidarity
Although it's true that the journo instigated it, he pursued it/what he thought was her, not once but a number of times.
He had various opportunities to say "I don't think this is terribly appropriate" and either shut the convo off or at least de-escalate, but instead he chose to continue and respond/take it further, culminating in sending a picture of his dick.
It may be correct in the legal sense to say that this was entrapment, or that it broke newspaper guidelines, but I think many people viewing this will consider that he has demonstrated himself to be naive/stupid at best and sleazy/attempting to use his position for some sort of sexual ends at worst.
Just because the journo and the Mirror may have behaved badly, doesn't begin to excuse his actions.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
I think that you should go back and check the chronology - the pictures came right at the end of the stages i outlined above - after all the inviting to events and offers to drop in whenever you like - and it was he who asked for the pic. He asked her for the pic. He wasn't sent it out of the blue. It was a stage in his pursuit. I don't care about the rest - i'm just putting right the idea that he didn't pursue her.
I meant that i assumed sending unsolicited pics of your knob was some from of offence.
Or potential blackmailers, what price would an MP less honourable than Brcocks Newmark have paid, government files???
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Plastic Paddy
I will check the chronology but from memory he asked for a (non explicit) picture and she made the running from there. That said, we don't have a full transcript of everything that was said, just what The Mirror/Guido have chosen to release so that's all moot.
Well it probably is, but that presupposes that they were solicited, not that he pursued her.
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Plastic Paddy
This is a good point.
butchersapron
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Er what? Him sending an unsolicited pic of his cock presupposes that they were solicited?
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Plastic Paddy
No.
You said that if he hadn't pursued her he'd be up for a sex crime [for sending unsolicited nob pics].
If that's the case the fact that he isn't is more indicative that they were solicited, than that he pursued her.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
So he has the defence that they were in some sense solicited as part of a mutual game of pursuit. Exactly my point. And exactly as would be his defence i suspect.
marty21
One on one? You're crazy.
In what scenario is a Tory Minister sending a picture of his cock to someone who isn't his wife, and he doesn't know, a good idea? wtf was he thinking? I'm happy he got caught out, and happy he resigned.
andysays
Love and solidarity
The fact that he isn't, so far and as far as we know, up for a sex crime, doesn't in any way demonstrate they were solicited.
Have the police been provided with evidence regarding the sending of a photo, or any means of judging the "was it solicited or not" issue? If not, they're not in any position to charge him.
As I said before, you're correct in saying the process which culminated in him sended the dickpic was originally instigated by someone else, but you seem to be clinging to the idea that that means he was in no way responsible for what happened subsequently.
It's worth remembering that even Brooks Newmark doesn't agree - he resigned as soon as he heard the story was about to come out.
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Plastic Paddy
Fair enough. That's not the point that I understood you to be making.
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Plastic Paddy
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Plastic Paddy
That's not what I'm saying at all. The bloke was a massive fucking mug.
My point was regarding public interest and whether or not two consenting adults exchanging explicit pics is anyone else's business, particularly given that it wouldn't have happened had he not been entrapped into doing so.
Was it in the public interest to create a situation that for all we know has never happened before and probably wouldn't have again?
I'm not condoning what Skidders has done here in any way. It's the press behaviour that I'm railing against.
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andysays
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Fair enough, I merely commented on how you're starting to come across (to me).
If your argument is that there is no public interest here, then surely that's what you should concentrate on - by focusing so much on the fact that someone else instigated it, or that it wouldn't have happened otherwise, the danger is that you appear to be saying he bears no responsibility for his behaviour.
I disagree as regards the public interest though - you can certainly make a case for saying it's in the public interest to know that the minister for civil society is apparently prepared to exploit his position of power and authority for sexual purposes, even in a situation which someone else has instigated, and you can do that without being entirely comfortable with the way the journo and the Mirror went about it.
There is also the argument regarding extremely poor judgment and incredible naiveity. Should someone who has displayed this really be in an important government position? That being said I haven't a clue what his department actually does, tbf neither did he probably.
The point has already been made, but what if this was a honey trap not from the press but from another countries secret service? What if it was industrial espionage related? On the face of it who he shares pictures of his knob with is his business alone but when you look at the wider picture its clearly a resigning matter and he knew this better then anyone and straight away.
With IT ignorence and stupidity like this its no wonder virtually every government IT scheme is a massivly expenisve failure.
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Plastic Paddy
How has he exploited his position?
He was contacted and flattered by an attractive girl that he understood to be interested in him, and who, when engaged by him, seemed to come through in spades!
He's guilty of vanity, potential adultery, and gross stupidity, but there's no exploitation.
Edit: andysays
He was contacted and flattered by an attractive girl that he understood to be interested in him, and who, when engaged by him, seemed to come through in spades!
He's guilty of vanity, potential adultery, and gross stupidity, but there's no exploitation.
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Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
Not quite; the Mirror contacted him and he denied everything. The Mirror contacted Downing St. who told them he'd resigned. I imagine without informing him first
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
In part, I agree - and it's important to not be too prurient. We need to remember exactly that point - that consenting adults should be able to do what the fuck they want. It's just that there's another dimension to this - it's a politician using his public position to get sex, with all the hints of jobs and the like. He might have been sending pictures of his winkle through a private email address, but the story starts in his day job and (I think) his public twitter account. But the central bit is power here - it's the casting couch of the film industry, bosses offering promotion for sexual favours etc. He might have been entrapped, I'm not worried whether we call it that or a sting, but he's essentially using his public position and ability to dish out favours to get a shag. On those grounds alone, fuck him and the whole crowd of sleazeballs who go down the same route (for sex, for money or whatever).
Edit... and to answer your final point, I'm not a great fan of the term public interest, but there is one here. That doesn't make what the journo was doing moral or ethical, particularly using 2 women's photos. In fact it suggests he is a bit of sleaze, happy to just get a story. But the 2 things are unconnected - there was still a public interest.
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DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
see its a sign of the crapness of now- once it was actual liasons between a war minister and a model who was probably in the pay of the kremlin- now its twitter and nob pics to grubby journos and bloggers. Bring back real sex scandals.
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Plastic Paddy
Not quite; the Mirror contacted him and he denied everything. The Mirror contacted Downing St. who told them he'd resigned. I imagine without informing him first
Has this been reported?
andysays
Love and solidarity
I didn't say he has exploited it, I (carefully and specifically) said he is apparently prepared to exploit it.
We're not just talking about two random people, one of whom incidently happens to be an MP. We're talking about the minister for Civil Society, one of whose responsibilities is encouraging more young women into politics, using that position to carry on a conversation suggesting that he will do this young woman who is interested in getting into politics a few favours in that regard if she'll return the favour in some way. I'm sure we can all join the dots...
andysays
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Not quite; the Mirror contacted him and he denied everything. The Mirror contacted Downing St. who told them he'd resigned. I imagine without informing him first
OK, that's not quite the way I heard it, but if it's true I don't think it changes my substantive point, whether it was BN or Downing Street that decided he'd done wrong.
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Plastic Paddy
andysays said:
Eh?
Ok. I seem to be missing a big chunk of this story.
Where are you getting this from? Got links or quotes?
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