Tory Death Spiral

[Johnny Vodka]

The fact that they seems to think that the admission they they have taken drugs of some sort in the past is some kind of statement as if to say 'look I'm human too' as if it establishes some connection between them and us is both pitiable and distasteful in equal measure.

Nah, someone was going to out them, so they confessed first to reduce the damage IMO.

 

[Johnny Vodka]

the idea that any of them has done mdma seems alien doesn't it.

Someone posted on FB that Boris has done shrooms... I seriously doubt it. I'd imagine most Tory MPs have tried Mozam in the past, and wouldn't be surprised if as many still do it.

 

[teqniq]

Johnny Vodka I hadn't considered that, I wonder who?

 

[Ted Striker]

 

[Don Troooomp]

Whatever new leader they get will be just as fucked as May was.

It's incredible that you post so much and understand so little.

May was weak, pointless, dithered, and negotiated an agreement with the EU nobody was even slightly interested in. She's done everyone a great service in totally fucking up the tories, so I see her departure as a sadness. With her in charge, the whole Brexit thing was doomed to the dustbin of history and she would eventually have destroyed their party for years.
You might not like the runners for the leadership, but there are strong people in there with a lot more about them than May could even imagine she could manage.
BJ might well be a total wanker, but he's a total wanker with support and a popular policy regarding the EU. Much as he's a dick, he's a dangerous dick.
I agree they're all unacceptable for so many reasons, but one will emerge, and that might very well be a strong leader with popular policies, at least as far as Brexit goes.
We've already had a serious spanking from the electorate over Brexit, so assuming the new PM will be a pointless dick that will last five minutes is poor strategy.
I'll happily agree whoever it is will be crap from my point of view, but it would be extremely silly to simply assume they're be as crap as May, then wither and die after a few months.
A strong leader with direction could well bring them together and breathe a whole new life into what May fucked up, at least as far as Brexit and the post exit restructuring of Britain goes.

The new leader can't be simply dismissed because we assume they'll be as shit as the last one.

 

[Pickman's model]

May was weak, pointless, dithered, and negotiated an agreement with the EU nobody was even slightly interested in. She's done everyone a great service in totally fucking up the tories, so I see her departure as a sadness. With her in charge, the whole Brexit thing was doomed to the dustbin of history and she would eventually have destroyed their party for years.
You might not like the runners for the leadership, but there are strong people in there with a lot more about them than May could even imagine she could manage.
BJ might well be a total wanker, but he's a total wanker with support and a popular policy regarding the EU. Much as he's a dick, he's a dangerous dick.
I agree they're all unacceptable for so many reasons, but one will emerge, and that might very well be a strong leader with popular policies, at least as far as Brexit goes.
We've already had a serious spanking from the electorate over Brexit, so assuming the new PM will be a pointless dick that will last five minutes is poor strategy.
I'll happily agree whoever it is will be crap from my point of view, but it would be extremely silly to simply assume they're be as crap as May, then wither and die after a few months.
A strong leader with direction could well bring them together and breathe a whole new life into what May fucked up, at least as far as Brexit and the post exit restructuring of Britain goes.

The new leader can't be simply dismissed because we assume they'll be as shit as the last one.

Tl;dr? Never mind, it's vacuous tosh

 

[Kaka Tim]

May was weak, pointless, dithered, and negotiated an agreement with the EU nobody was even slightly interested in. She's done everyone a great service in totally fucking up the tories, so I see her departure as a sadness. With her in charge, the whole Brexit thing was doomed to the dustbin of history and she would eventually have destroyed their party for years.
You might not like the runners for the leadership, but there are strong people in there with a lot more about them than May could even imagine she could manage.
BJ might well be a total wanker, but he's a total wanker with support and a popular policy regarding the EU. Much as he's a dick, he's a dangerous dick.
I agree they're all unacceptable for so many reasons, but one will emerge, and that might very well be a strong leader with popular policies, at least as far as Brexit goes.
We've already had a serious spanking from the electorate over Brexit, so assuming the new PM will be a pointless dick that will last five minutes is poor strategy.
I'll happily agree whoever it is will be crap from my point of view, but it would be extremely silly to simply assume they're be as crap as May, then wither and die after a few months.
A strong leader with direction could well bring them together and breathe a whole new life into what May fucked up, at least as far as Brexit and the post exit restructuring of Britain goes.

The new leader can't be simply dismissed because we assume they'll be as shit as the last one.

Next leader has to deliver brexit.
Which cant be done.
no deal will be blocked by parliament (and split the party).
which leaves mays deal (eu wont offer anything new) which will blocked by parliament and seen as a betrayal by all the tory brexiteers.
Which leaves the only way out as having a general election on a no deal platform (so as to neutralise the brexit party) - but its a policy that will struggle to get even 30% of the vote share and will see massive mobilisations of tactical voting to prevent it, will split the party, will be vehemently opposed by everybody from the CBI to the TUC to most of the media to every single public body and every other political party bar the DUP - and which will lose them a huge chunk of their funding.
They are fucked and fucked again.

 

[ruffneck23]

Next leader has to deliver brexit.
Which cant be done.
no deal will be blocked by parliament (and split the party).
which leaves mays deal (eu wont offer anything new) which will blocked by parliament and seen as a betrayal by all the tory brexiteers.
Which leaves the only way out as having a general election on a no deal platform (so as to neutralise the brexit party) - but its a policy that will struggle to get even 30% of the vote share and will see massive mobilisations of tactical voting to prevent it, will split the party, will be vehemently opposed by everybody from the CBI to the TUC to most of the media to every single public body and every other political party bar the DUP - and which will lose them a huge chunk of their funding.
They are fucked and fucked again.

Great post , and the last sentence warms my old , cold heart

 

[Supine]

Next leader has to deliver brexit.
Which cant be done.
no deal will be blocked by parliament (and split the party).
which leaves mays deal (eu wont offer anything new) which will blocked by parliament and seen as a betrayal by all the tory brexiteers.
Which leaves the only way out as having a general election on a no deal platform (so as to neutralise the brexit party) - but its a policy that will struggle to get even 30% of the vote share and will see massive mobilisations of tactical voting to prevent it, will split the party, will be vehemently opposed by everybody from the CBI to the TUC to most of the media to every single public body and every other political party bar the DUP - and which will lose them a huge chunk of their funding.
They are fucked and fucked again.

Great post but remain need a strong opposition to make it happen. Labour needs to be a remain (or at minimum a strongly vocal second ref) party. Brexit is a shit idea, the country needs more than the lib dems or greens as the opposition to it.

 

[HoratioCuthbert]

Great post but remain need a strong opposition to make it happen. Labour needs to be a remain (or at minimum a strongly vocal second ref) party. Brexit is a shit idea, the country needs more than the lib dems or greens as the opposition to it.

Posters now just not reading posts and spamming Second Ref calls in the replies whether it’s relevant or not

 

[Supine]

Posters now just not reading posts and spamming Second Ref calls in the replies whether it’s relevant or not

What a stupid post

 

[Proper Tidy]

What's the difference between a remain party and a second referendum party, means the same thing. Still think labour going full remain would be its long slow death (not that that's a bad thing, depends what fills the space)

 

[Don Troooomp]

Next leader has to deliver brexit.

1 - Agreed

Which cant be done.

2 - Are you sure?

It would be difficult to do, and mean no legislation can be tabled in case an MP gets an amendment through to take over parliament (as last time), but inaction would force a no deal exit.
However, the political cost would probably be very high.
On the other hand, if the new tory PM can get his ducks in a row (and sweeten the unionists with whatever bribes they will accept), he could just about scrape a vote through.
We're lucky May was stupid enough to call that last election or we would have been truly fucked.

 

[Humberto]

It is going to be Gove I reckon.

 

[Humberto]

pob cunt

 

[Don Troooomp]

It is going to be Gove I reckon.

Grove would be a good choice in so much as he's a coke headed ineffective twat - The perfect PM for Remain.
He's very bright, speaks well as far as parliament goes, and thinks, but has the personality of a cardboard box so no bugger would vote for him when it comes to general elections and. most importantly, I don't believe he could muster backing for any deal he comes up with.
I wouldn't mind seeing him as the nut behind their wheel.

 

[Don Troooomp]

Boorish Johnson is a different matter.
He's also bright, but he knows how to speak to people, not just politicians, and that makes him dangerous. Add his extreme views on Brexit, and there goes an opponent I don't want to see as PM.

 

[Proper Tidy]

A very public school limerick in the Spectator = proven man of the people and prole whisperer

 

[Poi E]

japes, gosh, what?

 

[Libertad]

prole whisperer

 

[Poi E]

cracker, isn't it?

 

[Libertad]

cracker, isn't it?

Indeed it is.

 

[Kaka Tim]

And Johnson is not "bright" - he's a bullshitter. a nasty piece of work who's got where he is on the back of bluster, privilege and an indestructible sense of entitlement. He's been found out everytime he has to do some real work that involves diligence, hard work and intelligence.
Gove is a cunt - but he is clever. But he wont win unless he ends up being the most brexitiy of the final two - which i cant see happening.

 

[SpackleFrog]

May was weak, pointless, dithered, and negotiated an agreement with the EU nobody was even slightly interested in. She's done everyone a great service in totally fucking up the tories, so I see her departure as a sadness. With her in charge, the whole Brexit thing was doomed to the dustbin of history and she would eventually have destroyed their party for years.
You might not like the runners for the leadership, but there are strong people in there with a lot more about them than May could even imagine she could manage.
BJ might well be a total wanker, but he's a total wanker with support and a popular policy regarding the EU. Much as he's a dick, he's a dangerous dick.
I agree they're all unacceptable for so many reasons, but one will emerge, and that might very well be a strong leader with popular policies, at least as far as Brexit goes.
We've already had a serious spanking from the electorate over Brexit, so assuming the new PM will be a pointless dick that will last five minutes is poor strategy.
I'll happily agree whoever it is will be crap from my point of view, but it would be extremely silly to simply assume they're be as crap as May, then wither and die after a few months.
A strong leader with direction could well bring them together and breathe a whole new life into what May fucked up, at least as far as Brexit and the post exit restructuring of Britain goes.

The new leader can't be simply dismissed because we assume they'll be as shit as the last one.

Do you not see a contradiction in wanting May to govern forever because she's "totally fucking up the Tories"?

 

[Pickman's model]

There was a young man from eton
Whose bottom was frequently beaten
He stood for pm
Got beaten again
And jailed for lyin' and cheatin'

 

[MickiQ]

And Johnson is not "bright" - he's a bullshitter. a nasty piece of work who's got where he is on the back of bluster, privilege and an indestructible sense of entitlement. He's been found out everytime he has to do some real work that involves diligence, hard work and intelligence.
Gove is a cunt - but he is clever. But he wont win unless he ends up being the most brexitiy of the final two - which i cant see happening.

You can see that based on what they're saying, Gove is talking about dropping VAT post Brexit (whether this is a good idea is a different argument) whereas BoJo the Clown is back to banging on about going to Brussels and putting Johnny Foreigner in his place.

 

[teqniq]

 

[gosub]

What's the difference between a remain party and a second referendum party, means the same thing. Still think labour going full remain would be its long slow death (not that that's a bad thing, depends what fills the space)

Nah second referendum lot have half a fig leaf of democracy. Full on remain thems just cunts.

 

[Proper Tidy]

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The comfort of knowing you are above the laws that apply to mortals I suppose. Posh cunts

 

[Pickman's model]

Nah second referendum lot have half a fig leaf of democracy. Full on remain thems just cunts.

They're all cunts