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ok finally one paradox question ...

if captain jack from the 31st centry is the the captain jack which has survied imortal from now which means that when he finally gets shot by the darleks and killed he couldn't die because was already immortal meaning that when rose could have ressurected him to become immortal as he already was but then died...

anybody with me on this rabbit hole .... :confused:
 
belboid said:
It's just about possible that the mist stuff could have travelled that quickly to infect ya lassie, but we just didnt see it doing so. Tho, yeah, that is a pretty crappy attempt at an explanation.

Entertaining tosh, tho full of plot holes.

eg - in Dr Who, Torchwood was an incredibly well funded research institutin in the centre of London. Now its a rag n tag operaton in a Cardiff sewer. Torchwood was originally set up by good Queen Vickie, and was explicitly British - PM watsername spcifically ordered its use in one of the DW episodes. Yet now Cap'n Jack tells us Torchwood is beyond any single government - when did that happen? inteeresting tat he specified the UN as a 'single government' - did he mean ZOG, the US or the lizards were controlling it do we think? I hope its lizards, that would be a great episode.

The whole thing looks like a Buffy rip off (& nowt wrong with that) with episode 2 being a direct rip off from an episode of Angel.
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...and if Jack can't die then why was he shitting it so much in that episode on Dr Who when his ship was going to blow up?

I quite enjoyed the first one but feel asleep during the second.
 
kyser_soze said:
Just to recap...

Captain Jack was in the first season of the new series - initially as some kind of cop/time travelling looter from the 31st century, and again in the last two eps of that season, and he was made immortal by Rose when she did her God-in-a-tracksuit bit and destroyed the God of Daleks etc.

Torchwood 1 was destroyed in the climax of S2, when the Daleks and Cybermen come through a trans-reality portal in the top of Canary Wharf that Torchwood had been using to generate 'ghosts' of the dead, which as we all know were in fact Cybermen coming over from the alternate universe where Rose's dad was alive, and where she is left stranded in order to save the universe as we know it.

Hope that makes things clear...up to the point of 'How did Captain Jack end up at Torchwood in Cardiff?'
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*reads to end of thread

ah right, cheers, it was Rose.
 
GarfieldLeChat said:
ok finally one paradox question ...

if captain jack from the 31st centry is the the captain jack which has survied imortal from now which means that when he finally gets shot by the darleks and killed he couldn't die because was already immortal meaning that when rose could have ressurected him to become immortal as he already was but then died...

anybody with me on this rabbit hole .... :confused:
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don't argue with the time/space continuum old thing!
 
GarfieldLeChat said:
ok finally one paradox question ...

if captain jack from the 31st centry is the the captain jack which has survied imortal from now which means that when he finally gets shot by the darleks and killed he couldn't die because was already immortal meaning that when rose could have ressurected him to become immortal as he already was but then died...

anybody with me on this rabbit hole .... :confused:
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AFAIK the Cap'n Jack who the Daleks "killed" did a touch of time hopping. Then Rose made him immortal and somehow he made his way back to present day Cardiff. Easy! ;)
 
Philbc03 said:
AFAIK the Cap'n Jack who the Daleks "killed" did a touch of time hopping. Then Rose made him immortal and somehow he made his way back to present day Cardiff. Easy! ;)
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yes ok so then if he's now immortal he would exist until the 31st centry with the not dieing thing where upon he would be the same captain jack who did the time hopping in the first place... innit at which point he'd also be immortal or there'd be two captain jacks in the 31st centry which would then bugger things around even further creating greater paradox loops...
 
Then Rose made him immortal and somehow he made his way back to present day Cardiff.
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WEll it's pretty obvious that's what one of the main storylines will be - what happened to Jack between the defeat of the God Of Daleks on the Gamestation and his arrival in...Cardiff...
 
GarfieldLeChat said:
yes ok so then if he's now immortal he would exist until the 31st centry with the not dieing thing where upon he would be the same captain jack who did the time hopping in the first place... innit at which point he'd also be immortal or there'd be two captain jacks in the 31st centry which would then bugger things around even further creating greater paradox loops...
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Not if they stayed out of each other's way, or somehow this Captain Jack was eventually killed.

I caught the repeats last night. Liked it. Of course it's a bit tongue-in-cheek, it's not Battlestar Galactica is it?
 
kyser_soze said:
WEll it's pretty obvious that's what one of the main storylines will be - what happened to Jack between the defeat of the God Of Daleks on the Gamestation and his arrival in...Cardiff...
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I've completly forgotten all this god of the daleks crap but even if I did remember it I'd still have to say Torchwood was fucking shite . To me it had the same sort of formula as Doctor Who ( eg. capn jack -> doctor , policewoman -> doctors assistant ) but just wasn't as good . The concept is great but I reckon they should have got someone else to write it so because it seemed like Doctor Whos poor cousin .
 
Stigmata said:
Not if they stayed out of each other's way, or somehow this Captain Jack was eventually killed.

I caught the repeats last night. Liked it. Of course it's a bit tongue-in-cheek, it's not Battlestar Galactica is it?
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no it isn't and it could have been ...

theory of relitivite states that matter cannot exisit in the same time and place... to do so would prove qunatum physics right and create a paradox loop which is what let the cybermen through ... see...
 
Well i tried to sit down and watch the second one in the early hours after running for fear of my own taste, and it was still so, so, SO bad.

I just can't understand how something that was so hyped and had so much put into it, supposedly making it more dark and serious, can have ended up like something i would SERIOUSLY expect to be on at 4 o'clock in the afternoon on bbc1 (bar the sex theme of the 2nd episode)?

It's actually made me wonder if the 3rd series of doctor who is going to end up being so dire!
 
You are all officially nutboxes.

It's only been on a week, and I'm already slightly obsessed. I think I might like it better than Dr Who.

(Who am I calling a nutbox?)
 
let's face it

it's TOTAL RUBBISH and in certain lights could quite easily be viewed as an embarrassment - it had a sex mist, ffs

however it's probably going to be perfect stoner fodder for those of us that genuinely enjoy squirming around on the sofa monged out of our heads taking the piss out of all the shit that's on TV, so in that sense, it's Good

they just need to move it up to about 2am
 
I honestly can't understand why most people on this thread didn't enjoy it. To each his own I suppose.
 
It's FUN!
Sex mist is hilarious!

Maybe you're watching it in the wrong frame of mind or summink.
 
OK, here's the thing: what's good about Dr Who is that it's a family programme; it's for kids, but there's stuff there for adults to appreciate, too. Like Shrek. But take it away from that and make it only for adults and it loses too much; it becomes a pretty naff programme. Instead of Shrek you've got OTT, the Tiswas spin off that made the same mistake.

Oh dear.
 
pk said:
Other than that, seems odd they did this series for adults, could have done a 7pm series without the adult themes and won themselves three times the ratings... the BBC are a weird bunch of nerds at times...
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I think they've called this one badly wrong. It may have done fine in the late-night post-pub Buffy/Prisoner Cell Block H slot.

Instead, they ran the first two episodes as a double on BBC2 at 9pm ... in half term week. Cue lots of kiddies who are Doctor Who fans begging to be allowed to stay up to watch. Cue parents who have only seen the trailers going well okay then. Cue same kiddies going "ewwww" at the date rape spray in Episode 1, then hiding behind the sofa at the sex in the loo and lesbian snogs in Episode 2. Daleks never bothered them half as much!

Mine are 12, so no biggie. But I can imagine parents of younger kids being a tad upset.

And yes I know, parental responsibility and all that. But that has to be based on information, and the Beeb's running a spin-off of a kids' programme in that timeslot with no real warning of the content, is a bit of a curve ball.
 
Moggy said:
I just can't understand how something that was so hyped and had so much put into it
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Well that's the problem for a lot of people I reckon. The hype. I can image you sitting there arms folded, saying: "Come on then, impress me!" If you'd have just come across it one evening without knowing anything about it you might have thought it was an enjoyable piece of televisual fluff. :)
 
fudgefactorfive said:
let's face it

it's TOTAL RUBBISH and in certain lights could quite easily be viewed as an embarrassment - it had a sex mist, ffs
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Come on, this is camp sci-fi we're talking about here, not Cathy Come Home or Boys From the Blackstuff. I enjoyed it. :)
 
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