Toby Young is a c0nt

[butchersapron]

I think his hopes on wythenshaw up thread are now doomed after labour/UKIP peformance last night in Trafford (this is next door):

Labour 1377 (44.6%)
Conservative 1258 (40.8%)
UKIP 234 (7.6%)
Lib Dems 150 (4.9%)
Green 67 (2.2%)

Total 3086

 

[nino_savatte]

Helmet head tells us that "BBC comedian (Rufus Hound) says Cameron wants your kids to die". How I wish Toby Young would dry up and blow away.

This is a new low. Rufus Hound, the host of a Radio 4 comedy programme, has announced he's standing for election to the European Parliament and accused the Prime Minister of wanting children to die. In a blog post entitled "David and Jeremy want your kids to die (unless you're rich)", Hound rails against the "politico douchebags" who are "taking away your kids access to medicine":
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/t...comedian-says-cameron-wants-your-kids-to-die/

Here's part of a Twitter exchange between the terminally thick Tobes and Hound.

 

[cantsin]

Helmet head tells us that "BBC comedian (Rufus Hound) says Cameron wants your kids to die". How I wish Toby Young would dry up and blow away.


Here's part of a Twitter exchange between the terminally thick Tobes and Hound.

Hound's defence of Jimmy Carr's tax avoidance was embarassing " he 's a nice man /its not illehal / gives loads to chariddeee" - fuck off, plse.

 

[nino_savatte]

Hound's defence of Jimmy Carr's tax avoidance was embarassing " he 's a nice man /its not illehal / gives loads to chariddeee" - fuck off, plse.

Well, that may be the case but Young isn't exactly in the best position to be throwing stones.

 

[cantsin]

Well, that may be the case but Young isn't exactly in the best position to be throwing stones.

why not ? he's being savaged by a Nu lab sheep with a track record in daft , weak kneed hypocrisy, he looks to be in a good position to throw stones/invective/whatever?

If you have any examples of Youngs ' hypocrisy re: tax / avoidance etc, plse show us

 

[nino_savatte]

Tobes has excelled himself this time.

Earlier today on Twitter, Tim Montgomerie expressed amazement that 26 Anglican bishops had chosen to write to the Mirror, of all papers, to express their discomfort over the government's welfare reforms:

Who advised the churchleaders to write to The Mirror? Only the Morning Star's platform would have given their message a more political spin.

— Tim Montgomerie (@TimMontgomerie) February 20, 2014

In fact, the bishops' decision to air their grievances in a Labour paper should come as no surprise. The Church of England is no longer the Conservative Party at prayer. To all intents and purposes, it is an outpost of the Labour Party.

Let's begin with the Archbishop of Canterbury. Just because Justin Welby is an Old Etonian friend of the Prime Minister's, do not assume he supports his policies. On the contrary, he's repeatedly made his sympathies for Ed Miliband clear. Last October, he joined the Labour leader in attacking the Big Six energy companies and let's not forget that in his first significant political intervention since taking office Welby attacked Iain Duncan Smith for capping increases in welfare payments at 1 per cent a year. "These changes will mean it is children and families who will pay the price for high inflation, rather than the government," he said.
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/t...nd-has-become-an-outpost-of-the-labour-party/

The CofE is an "outpost of the Labour Party"?

 

[nino_savatte]

why not ? he's being savaged by a Nu lab sheep with a track record in daft , weak kneed hypocrisy, he looks to be in a good position to throw stones/invective/whatever?

If you have any examples of Youngs ' hypocrisy re: tax / avoidance etc, plse show us

Weird.

 

[cantsin]

Weird.

not weird, was just pointing out that Toby Young is a slimy , dishonest ( eg : his near farcical attempts to claim his Free School is non selective ) , vicious piece of Tory garbage, but I don't associate him with hypocrisy/dishonesty on tax matters, whereas Jimmy Carr....so TY seems in a good position to 'throw stones' in this instance.

 

[nino_savatte]

not weird, was just pointing out that Toby Young is a slimy , dishonest ( eg : his near farcical attempts to claim his Free School is non selective ) , vicious piece of Tory garbage, but I don't associate him with hypocrisy/dishonesty on tax matters, whereas Jimmy Carr....so TY seems in a good position to 'throw stones' in this instance.

Yes, weird, because you use the same argument as Young.

As for tax avoidance, Young has already penned this in defence of dodging.

I've been roundly abused on Twitter today by those who believe that tax avoidance is immoral, following the publication of my review of Nicholas Shaxson's book on tax havens in the Mail on Sunday. Among those who've taken a pop at me is UK Uncut, the organisation that campaigns against tax avoidance (and much else besides). Rather than trade insults with UK Uncut and others, I thought it would be more productive to set out the case for the defence here and invite them to respond in the comments. Hopefully, a playground spat can be transformed into a grown up debate.
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/t...rally-wrong-its-perfectly-sensible-behaviour/

I think it's a pretty fair bet he does exactly the same thing as Carr.

 

[Awesome Wells]

Here's your grown up debate:

Tax avoidance is hypocrisy and immoral.

Go fuck yourself.

Have a nice day!

 

[cantsin]

Yes, weird, because you use the same argument as Young.

As for tax avoidance, Young has already penned this in defence of dodging.


I think it's a pretty fair bet he does exactly the same thing as Carr.

but again ( and we're getting into pedantry, but ..whevs ) 'hypocrisy'? TY an out and out, small state, avoid-any-tax-you can/f+@ck everyone" Tory - whereas Carr claims to be something else, ie : is a hypocrite.

 

[nino_savatte]

but again ( and we're getting into pedantry, but ..whevs ) 'hypocrisy'? TY an out and out, small state, avoid-any-tax-you can/f+@ck everyone" Tory - whereas Carr claims to be something else, ie : is a hypocrite.

Yes, it is pedantry. What exactly does Carr claim to be? Indeed, what does any of this have to do with Rufus Hound's candidature? So what if he slapped Carr on the back. Young's sole line of attack is to attack Hound through Carr. It's a bit pathetic tbh.

 

[Awesome Wells]

He's obviously a tax dodger, why else put your head above the parapet?

He tries to make it sound as though HMRC are charging him X and then asking for an additional Y and that by legal machinery he only has to pay X and that is correct and moral. In truth HMRC ask for X and he by legal machinery reduce X and pay a fraction thereof.

 

[treelover]

Helmet head tells us that "BBC comedian (Rufus Hound) says Cameron wants your kids to die". How I wish Toby Young would dry up and blow away.


Here's part of a Twitter exchange between the terminally thick Tobes and Hound.

When you think of the good that his Dad did, and then this...

 

[Awesome Wells]

Oh the faux outrage!

spare me, the pious hypocrisy of these self righteous wingnuts!

'How dare thou attack poor David!'

ffs!

I'm getting angry now; perhaps I should watch the Benefits Britain debate again, to calm down.

 

[nino_savatte]

When you think of the good that his Dad did, and then this...

Apparently, Michael Young was being satirical when he coined the word 'meritocracy'.

 

[cantsin]

Yes, it is pedantry. What exactly does Carr claim to be? Indeed, what does any of this have to do with Rufus Hound's candidature? So what if he slapped Carr on the back. Young's sole line of attack is to attack Hound through Carr. It's a bit pathetic tbh.

Jimmy Carr claims to be a Labour voter - he is a tax avoider and a hypocrite, because Labour claim to be against tax evasion.

 

[treelover]

Apparently, Michael Young was being satirical when he coined the word 'meritocracy'.

not sure what you mean there Nino

 

[nino_savatte]

Jimmy Carr claims to be a Labour voter - he is a tax avoider and a hypocrite, because Labour claim to be against tax evasion.

He may be a Labour voter but he's no revolutionary socialist. He's a liberal.

 

[nino_savatte]

not sure what you mean there Nino

Oh? This is from the horse's mouth.

The book was a satire meant to be a warning (which needless to say has not been heeded) against what might happen to Britain between 1958 and the imagined final revolt against the meritocracy in 2033.
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2001/jun/29/comment

 

[cantsin]

He may be a Labour voter but he's no revolutionary socialist. He's a liberal.

huh ? You think only 'revo socs.' are against tax evasion?

 

[nino_savatte]

huh ? You think only 'revo socs.' are against tax evasion?

*shrugs* I give up.

 

[Awesome Wells]

Oh? This is from the horse's mouth.

Toby thinks we has a meritocracy?

 

[agricola]

Toby thinks we has a meritocracy?

I think his ego does.

 

[nino_savatte]

Today Tobes says "let them eat doughnuts and rack up huge amounts of debt by borrowing from payday loan companies".

You don't have to look very far to find evidence of this puritanical streak on the Left. It's there in Stella Creasy's campaign against payday loans, in Labour's demands for tighter controls over high street gambling machines, in Andy Sawford's attack on Waitrose for giving away free coffee, in Andy Burnham's call for a ban on sugary cereals like Frostiesand "new thinking about tackling child obesity".
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/t...ome-the-party-of-beer-bingo-and-lamborghinis/

Twat.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Today Tobes says "let them eat doughnuts and rack up huge amounts of debt by borrowing from payday loan companies".


Twat.

I could call him all sorts of rude names, but the truth is that he's not so stupid that he can't help talking shit.
The truth is worse - that he cares so little about anyone who isn't a chap like himself, that this is his usual mode of thought.

 

[DotCommunist]

heh good old andy sawford. Currently rules Corby in some indy/labour lash up

 

[nino_savatte]

I could call him all sorts of rude names, but the truth is that he's not so stupid that he can't help talking shit.
The truth is worse - that he cares so little about anyone who isn't a chap like himself, that this is his usual mode of thought.

His is a form of verbal incontinence. Free speech in Tobesworld means "I talk shit and you shut the fuck up".

 

[agricola]

The truth is worse - that he cares so little about anyone who isn't a chap like himself, that this is his usual mode of thought.

That is an especially wonderful example of that thought process, though - arguing the key to understanding "the masses" is not to bring more of them into your party, not to examine what it is that motivates them, not even to actually meet some of them; but instead to just follow the advice of Toby Young.

 

[cantsin]

going to be interesting to see how this loss of 3 head teachers in 3 years at Young's Free School plays out - the staff are supposedly under strict non disclosure orders, and 3 heads in that period at any other educational establishment would be a strong indicator of internal crisis of some sort - all this during what's starting to look like a critical time for the Free Schools programme/Gove etc.

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/toby-youngs-free-school-loses-another-headteacher-9326416.html