Fair point actually.
Those by-elections (potential and otherwise) in full
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The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Hard to restrain the excitement of the next Labour Government
PTK
Paul Kegan
Thank you! That has certainly made me chuckle.
Elpenor
a clown’s heart and a mandolin
Serious party of government
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Centrist dads of the world unite
HazeyCosmicJive
Member
In the last six general elections the number of people who didn't vote has exceeded the number of votes of any single party. Between 1945 and 1997 the average turnout was 76.3% but the average has dropped to 64.7% in the six elections since.
Are results due to "the floating vote" or people choosing not to vote? I believe the latter is the biggest factor.
My suspicion is that the last election was an anomaly. A rejection of the hard left possibly? Or a vote for someone with a particular personality? Or someone who would deliver the Brexit referendum maybe?
None of these will be relevant factors at the next election so it will be interesting. Neither leader has any charisma so it will be a level playing field on that front
It certainly looks like Labour's election to lose at the moment but I think it will be a lot closer than it looks today.
Are results due to "the floating vote" or people choosing not to vote? I believe the latter is the biggest factor.
My suspicion is that the last election was an anomaly. A rejection of the hard left possibly? Or a vote for someone with a particular personality? Or someone who would deliver the Brexit referendum maybe?
None of these will be relevant factors at the next election so it will be interesting. Neither leader has any charisma so it will be a level playing field on that front
It certainly looks like Labour's election to lose at the moment but I think it will be a lot closer than it looks today.
cupid_stunt
Chief seagull hater & farmerbarleymow's nemesis.
I would agree the last election was an anomaly, and suspect it was because of mix of the three things you mention, but sort of in reverse order - getting Brexit done, electing a clown, and lastly rejecting Corbyn.
Calamity1971
If Mr Peanut says It's okay, then it is.
Oh this is great. Always gets what she wants? ewww. 
Spoiler ffs.
HazeyCosmicJive
Member
don't want them resting on their laurels thinking the next GE is already won
HazeyCosmicJive
Member
another interesting stat from the past...
2001 election (Tony Blair's second)
Tory vote fell 1.3m
Labour vote fell 2.8m
Lib Dem vote fell 0.4m
other parties total vote fell 0.4m
people who didn't vote went up 5.5m. (electorate increased by 0.5m)
2001 election (Tony Blair's second)
Tory vote fell 1.3m
Labour vote fell 2.8m
Lib Dem vote fell 0.4m
other parties total vote fell 0.4m
people who didn't vote went up 5.5m. (electorate increased by 0.5m)
two sheds
Least noticed poster 2007
Oh this is great. Always gets what she wants? ewww.
Something of the Truss about her in those last few seconds
Nine Bob Note
Self-Isolating before it was fashionable
Come on, Sir Keir has made it clear he has no time for such radical leftists.
Calamity1971
If Mr Peanut says It's okay, then it is.
Something of the self privelged entitled twat about her. No doubt cooper is now surplus to requirements. Can't decide who's the biggest cunt.Something of the Truss about her in those last few seconds
Well, yes. Should they not be seeking votes from people who didn’t vote? Are those people just congenitally unable to vote or something? Or could it be that they also comprise a valid target for parties? Over 60% of people in these by-elections were not inspired to get out there and choose either party. Labour’s inability to speak to any of those 60+% is certainly a reasonable point of criticism
Eric Jarvis
Well-Known Member
He has pretty much made it clear that he has no time for anyone who can't dob him at least 20 grand to get his attention.
Eric Jarvis
Well-Known Member
It's not about speaking to them. A large proportion of them are people convinced that nobody in politics will listen to them.
redsquirrel
This Machine Kills Progressives
Yep. Non-voters is not some fixed in stone category - 2017 (and even 2019 to an extent) proved that many "non-voters" are happy, indeed even eager, to vote when they feel they have some group that represents their interests.
Time has proved what many were saying years ago - New Labour's stupidity of simply assuming voters have 'no where to go' was not just a disgusting political strategy it was a fundamentally flawed electoral one too. Ask Hilary Clinton.
teqniq
DisMembered
Oh this is great. Always gets what she wants? ewww.
The tory twat shared this flow chart:
somebody did a riposte:
We simply don't know. Local election turn out is always lower. The idea that Labour huge %gain was somehow not a success because of the low turnout is silly and it's that I was arguing against.
If you’ve done shitly at something but your opponent has done even more shitly, that does not make you a success. It just makes your opponent an even bigger loser.
MickiQ
In My Defence I was left Unsupervised
Willing to take that
pretty much nobody actually thinks they did shitly out in the real world though. The turnout was completely in line with local election averages. They won a massive percentage swing.
They put a huge amount of resources into mobilising the vote because of the symbolic significance of overturning a big deficit. And then fewer actual people turned out to vote for them than previously. Thousands of people who voted for them in 2019 couldn’t be arsed to vote for them in 2023. Wow, much win.
Lord Camomile
Yipchaa!
Is a government run by people who "did shitly" not a cause for concern? Shouldn't we, as a society, be aiming/hoping for a little higher?
Lord Camomile
Yipchaa!
"Yes, sir, it is a plate of shit, but at the restaurant across the road they serve diseased shit. So eat up. Yum yum"
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