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I saw that earlier - good article. I do wish the press would run more articles that show it isn't always just "us and them."

Have to admit, when I saw "Omaha," in my head, I heard the jingle, "Mutual of Omaha is people, you can count on when the going's rough." :D

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Why? If there was would it mean something?
I think it would mean something yes. If you stayed home that day or voted for 'neither of them', and then after the fact went out to protest about trump, because you really didn't want him as your president, I think that's kind of interesting yes.
You won't agree but I think people 'should' have voted not trump, even if they did not like HC at all, to prevent this administration getting into power.
I'd have voted for your mum.
A lot of people just didn't bother, some felt that it would be stooping too low. I agree with the old man on this. Noam Chomsky on the biggest mistake the left made in this election
 
Well, obvs he's talking about the terrorist attacks the media won't report because *reasons* but against the like of which he wants to protect the US with emergency legislation. Things like the Bowling Green Massacre.
From what I can recall, none of the incidents he mentioned involved people from any of the 7 countries involved in the visa banning EO, but okay. :rolleyes:

So, basically, he's saying that when the next "incident" happens which is probably already being organised by someone from his team,, he'll have "no choice" but to declare martial law, round up and deport Moose-Lambs, etc. and it will be the media's fault. Gotcha.
 
From what I can recall, none of the incidents he mentioned involved people from any of the 7 countries involved in the visa banning EO, but okay. :rolleyes:

So, basically, he's saying that when the next "incident" happens which is probably already being organised by someone from his team,, he'll have "no choice" but to declare martial law, round up and deport Moose-Lambs, etc. and it will be the media's fault. Gotcha.
Any "incident" that doesn't get reported. Non-reporting is the flipside of fake news. No need for any false flags.
 
like his tax returns

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how is he going to keep this level of shit up for even 4 years

worse than listening to excuse in the house of commons for bad news story's

I call my own shots, largely based on an accumulation of data, and everyone knows it. Some FAKE NEWS media, in order to marginalize, lies!

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fair enough, it's early days. Nonetheless the claim that he is pushing the neolib agenda is being made on this thread. I'm questioning whether globalism is a necessary component of neoliberalism. The disruption of internationalised free trade is surely beginning with the the threats to impose import duties on cars made in Mexico? The threats are real enough, and mark a decisive break with past policies.
That's a fair question.
FWIW here's my take on the evolution of neoliberalism and Trump's role.
Whilst I'd agree that globalisation was a key element of neoliberalism I think there are newer, more important elements to advanced neoliberalism.
Firstly, I'd say that the processes that Streeck sums up as those of the consolidator state are key to understanding modern political economy. Put simply, financialised capital refuses to pay tax to nation states, preferring to profit from usury; making good the fiscal deficit by extending loans to debt states. As creditor, capital can simultaneously use the state as some sort of 'sub-contracted' wealth extractor, exert leverage over policy programmes (via bond market/capital strike threats) and use the growing public debt as a pretext for austerian shrinkage of the state. This last process facilitating the transfer of public/state owned assets into the private ownership of financialised capital. Trump's populist promises of massive state investment in infrastructure would seem to be entirely consistent with these processes with the additional benefit of increased corporate welfare/subsidy.

Secondly, I'd highlight the importance of the oligarchic class produced by neoliberalism. The obscenely rich economic elite who, pre-Trump have been happy to delegate their wealth defence to a professional political elite, appear to have lost faith in globalised institutions, especially any with supra-national aspiration to tax harmonisation or coordination. Both Brexit & Trump could easily be interpreted as an attempt to secure 2 national 'citadels' of wealth defence from which tax dodging can continue to be co-ordinated. Trump's EOs regarding renewed deregulation of financial services and promises of slashed corp taxes would indicate his determination to secure the USA as a bastion of oligarchic wealth defence.

Thirdly, I'd suggest that advanced neoliberalism could be characterised as post-juridical. The post-war consensus of interventionist governments, managed economies and welfare states relied on professional elites with defined jurisdictions within which they were expected to make judgements of political-economy. Planners, civil servants, economists, lawyers, journalists, educators etc. were all essential experts to the management of an efficient and productive economy. For neoliberalism's true believers of the power of markets to decide upon allocation, any 'expert' group entitled to make judgements wrt resource allocation are now seen as a threat to un-restrained accumulation and wealth defence; hence the antipathy towards and de-legitimisation of these groups. Trump's campaign and administration, (& the 'high priests' of Brexit) thus far, would suggest that this trend against elites will continue.

Added to which, I'd imagine that much of Trump's more protectionist hysteria will prove to be as real as the £350m/week for the NHS.
 
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fair enough, it's early days. Nonetheless the claim that he is pushing the neolib agenda is being made on this thread. I'm questioning whether globalism is a necessary component of neoliberalism. The disruption of internationalised free trade is surely beginning with the the threats to impose import duties on cars made in Mexico? The threats are real enough, and mark a decisive break with past policies.

One of his proposals was for the state to make big infrastructure investment in order to stimulate the economy, get the people back to work, Make Am.er.i.ca Great Again.... the pipelines are the first signs of that. Now we can both see that the main rewards for that will go to the oligarchs in the kelpocracy (oops, that's a typo, but kelp is what you get in swamps, isn't it? :) ) kleptocracy but again, it's potentially the start of a very different economic climate to what's gone before. Which doesn't mean that the neolib agenda has definitely been ditched, but it makes me wonder why you and others are so insistent it's definitely continuing.
A, kelp is found in the ocean,mangroves are found coatal swamps, B, reading broadly explains how he is pushing the Neoliberal agenda, the Travel ban has excited opposition and people miss his plans to allow FF extraction on formerly protected Federal lands including National parks, his appointment of a noted AGW denier to head the EPA, etc etc.
 
Thirdly, I'd suggest that advanced neoliberalism could be characterised as post-juridical.

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Trump's campaign and administration, (& the 'high priests' of Brexit) thus far, would suggest that this trend against elites will continue.

What has Trump done since January 20, 2017, that brings you to that conclusion?
 
'Economists' should be worried, full stop.
Have you read it? Their primary concerns revolve around the notion that Trump's GOP will not be able to accelerate policy fast enough for Goldman's liking...despite the fact that it is effectively a Goldmans administration.

Just a few weeks ago, Wall Street analysts were busy boosting their economic forecasts on the expectation that President Trump would implement sweeping corporate-tax reform, a rollback of regulations, and new fiscal stimulus. Two weeks into his term and the president has been focused primarily on immigration and trade, causing a reevaluation among analysts at some banks that harks back to pre-election concerns about Trump's uncertain effect on markets and U.S. economic growth.

"Following the election, the positive shift in sentiment among investors, business, and consumers suggested that the probability of tax cuts and easier regulation was seen to be higher than the probability of meaningful restrictions to trade and immigration," Goldman Sachs Group Inc. economists led by Alec Phillips wrote in note published late last week. "One month into the year, the balance of risks is somewhat less positive in our view."

Their concern is that in spite of the campaign rhetoric, Trump hasn't taken any decisive steps in the area, as he has with immigration and trade, leading to a possible conclusion that the tax/regulatory/fiscal promises, might end up being a lower priority in the Trump administration, than previously hoped for by Goldman Sachs et al.
 
Their concern is that in spite of the campaign rhetoric, Trump hasn't taken any decisive steps in the area, as he has with immigration and trade, leading to a possible conclusion that the tax/regulatory/fiscal promises, might end up being a lower priority in the Trump administration, than previously hoped for by Goldman Sachs et al.
The greedy cunts can't wait, can they?
 
Don't think I've heard anything other than dissing of elites/experts from Trump, before or after inauguration.

'Elites' is a broad term. The argument can be made that Trump's popularity with the hoi polloi arises from his disparagement of the cultural elites. He doesn't disparage so much, the financial elite, to which he and many of his Cabinet members, belong.
 
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'Elites' is a broad term. The argument can be made that Trump's popularity with the hoi polloi arises from his disparagement of the cultural elites. He doesn't disparage so much, the financial elite, to which he and many of his Cabinet members, belong.
I haven't said that he has disparaged financial elites; read what I wrote.
 
I haven't said that he has disparaged financial elites; read what I wrote.

You said he has been dissing 'elites'.

Don't think I've heard anything other than dissing of elites/experts from Trump, before or after inauguration.

I pointed out that that is a broad term, and that Trump hasn't been dissing 'elites', he has been dissing specific 'elites'.
 
Which is what I'd said in my longer post above.

Speaking of which, is the concept of 'post juridical' discussed anywhere other than by this Giorgio Agamben in his book, and an article that attempts to explain it? Your post motivated me to check it out, but I can't find the concept referred to anywhere else.
 
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