The Trump presidency

[bimble]

Another day another bit of twitter diplomacy. U.S.A.

 

[CrabbedOne]

Zyklon B is no longer a chemical? Fucking hell. South park writers are fully writing the WH scripts.

I think what Spicer got garbled there is the Nazis developed nerve agents but never used them as they were scared the very nasty British would drench their civ pop in the damn things instead of just roasting them en masse with incendiaries. The British in fact where behind the Germans in nerve agent development.

 

[DotCommunist]

bet Ken Livingston feels great about not being the most prominent 'that Hitler bloke' anymore

 

[J Ed]

Personally I think that Spicer's garbled utterances come from a place of stupidity rather than malice and bigotry but I'm obviously happy enough that they are being characterised as either or both.

 

[bimble]

Personally I think that Spicer's garbled utterances come from a place of stupidity rather than malice and bigotry but I'm obviously happy enough that they are being characterised as either or both.

I think my fave bit (apart maybe from "not on his own people") was when he said 'he brought them into the holocaust centers'. Never heard of one of them before.

 

[The Pale King]

The nadir of the 'own people' trope. Who were Hitler's 'own people'? Austrians?

 

[chandlerp]

Yeah, I thought they were called concentration camps

 

[CrabbedOne]

It's the phrase "Holocaust centres" Spicer used in a clarification that got me. The hapless twit has a very poor grasp on English usage.

 

[CrabbedOne]

Yeah, I thought they were called concentration camps

Actually extermination camps.

 

[CrabbedOne]

The nadir of the 'own people' trope. Who were Hitler's 'own people'? Austrians?

Hitler did kill rather a lot of Austrian Jews. Not that he would have thought of them as his own people.

 

[CrabbedOne]

In Politico Sanctuary cities crackdown threatens government shutdown

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But the effort by Mulvaney, a former conservative congressman from South Carolina, threatens to disrupt bipartisan negotiations on funding the government. Democrats are already calling a request for border wall money a “poison pill” that would shut down the government. An attempt to block liberal cities from receiving federal funds if they ignore immigration guidance would similarly cause Democrats to flee. The budget bill will need Democratic votes to pass — at least eight in the Senate, but probably in the House as well.

“It would blow up any chance of a bipartisan deal. Getting wall money is hard enough, and you get a guy pushing new riders out of nowhere,” said a Republican congressional aide. “I don’t see how catering to the Freedom Caucus votes help on [the] spending bill."
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This is quite a clusterfuck of bad policy making.

 

[Libertad]

The nadir of the 'own people' trope. Who were Hitler's 'own people'? Austrians?

Oberösterreichers probably.

 

[frogwoman]

what the hell is going on with trump and north korea?

 

[teqniq]

what the hell is going on with trump and north korea?

the US has diverted a carrier group towards the Korean peninsula amidst noises from Trump to the effect that if China doesn't want to be involved in sorting out North Korea to paraphrase 'We'll do it on our own'.* - this amidst ongoing missile test by the North the last of which failed, speculation is that there may have been interference in the the supply chain leading to substandard parts in the missile's manufacture.

Meanwhile not everyone in South Korea is overjoyed.



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Japanese warships to join US fleet near North Korea as tensions rise

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[ska invita]

I think what Spicer got garbled there is the Nazis developed nerve agents but never used them as they were scared the very nasty British would drench their civ pop in the damn things instead of just roasting them en masse with incendiaries. The British in fact where behind the Germans in nerve agent development.

I do not understand this squeamishness about the use of gas. We have definitely adopted the position at the Peace Conference of arguing in favour of the retention of gas as a permanent method of warfare. It is sheer affectation to lacerate a man with the poisonous fragment of a bursting shell and to boggle at making his eyes water by means of lachrymatory gas. I am strongly in favour of using poisoned gas against uncivilised tribes.

 

[agricola]

I think what Spicer got garbled there is the Nazis developed nerve agents but never used them as they were scared the very nasty British would drench their civ pop in the damn things instead of just roasting them en masse with incendiaries. The British in fact where behind the Germans in nerve agent development.

It is not fully understood, but Hitler's own experience of being gassed probably ensured that they never used it on the battlefield or in bombing raids. It may also have something to have done with them knowing that we had thousands of tons of mustard gas and other nasty stuff on hand and - in the form of Bomber Command - the means to deliver it, whereas they didn't.

 

[CrabbedOne]

I do not understand this squeamishness about the use of gas. We have definitely adopted the position at the Peace Conference of arguing in favour of the retention of gas as a permanent method of warfare. It is sheer affectation to lacerate a man with the poisonous fragment of a bursting shell and to boggle at making his eyes water by means of lachrymatory gas. I am strongly in favour of using poisoned gas against uncivilised tribes.

...The moral effect should be so good that the loss of life should be reduced to a minimum. It is not necessary to use only the most deadly gasses: gasses can be used which cause great inconvenience and would spread a lively terror and yet would leave no serious permanent effects on most of those affected."

Linky.

 

[CrabbedOne]

On Alternet The Trump White House Even Managed to Screw Up the Annual Easter Party

Unable to organise an Easter Egg Roll.

This does not bode well for getting the logistics of invading North Korea right when Putin releases that pee tape.

 

[CrabbedOne]

On Politico Putin: Trust between Russia and U.S. is worse under Trump

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"One could say that the level of trust on a working level, especially on the military level, has not improved, but rather has deteriorated,” Putin said, according to Reuters, which cited a Kremlin transcript.
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You just can't get the staff!

 

[bimble]

On Alternet The Trump White House Even Managed to Screw Up the Annual Easter Party

Unable to organise an Easter Egg Roll.

This does not bode well for getting the logistics of invading North Korea right when Putin releases that pee tape.

Even the muppets are on strike.
https://www.rawstory.com/2017/04/wh...-roll-four-days-after-bid-to-end-pbs-funding/

Only one muppet will be showing up. Wonder which one it'll be.

 

[CrabbedOne]

On Politico Obama heading to Germany in May to talk democracy with Merkel

Former President Barack Obama plans to reemerge on the international stage in late May, sitting down with German Chancellor Angela Merkel in her home country for a panel discussion about democracy.

The panel, part of a 500–year anniversary of the Protestant Reformation, is titled “Being Involved in Democracy: Taking on Responsibility Locally and Globally.”
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If democracy lasts that long!

 

[8den]

It is not fully understood, but Hitler's own experience of being gassed probably ensured that they never used it on the battlefield or in bombing raids. It may also have something to have done with them knowing that we had thousands of tons of mustard gas and other nasty stuff on hand and - in the form of Bomber Command - the means to deliver it, whereas they didn't.

I think during the final days its debated that he resisted his generals calls to use poison gas as part of the last defence of Berlin due to his WW1 exp.

 

[spring-peeper]

So much for improving the schools in the inner cities...

Trump's Budget Invests In Private Schools, Cuts Programs For Public Schools | The Huffington Post

 

[agricola]

I think during the final days its debated that he resisted his generals calls to use poison gas as part of the last defence of Berlin due to his WW1 exp.

Not heard that, in fact there is quite a bit of (admittedly self-serving) testimony from the likes of Speer and Guderian that he ordered (which they ignored) the destruction of much of what remained of Germany. He gave up the German people as lost (edit) and unworthy, once they failed to win his war for him.

 

[gosub]

I do not understand this squeamishness about the use of gas. We have definitely adopted the position at the Peace Conference of arguing in favour of the retention of gas as a permanent method of warfare. It is sheer affectation to lacerate a man with the poisonous fragment of a bursting shell and to boggle at making his eyes water by means of lachrymatory gas. I am strongly in favour of using poisoned gas against uncivilised tribes.

3 PM's would have actually experienced a gas attack. Churchill, Eden, Mcmillian.

 

[CrabbedOne]

Not heard that, in fact there is quite a bit of (admittedly self-serving) testimony from the likes of Speer and Guderian that he ordered (which they ignored) the destruction of much of what remained of Germany. He gave up the German people as lost (edit) and unworthy, once they failed to win his war for him.

I recall reading Hitler decided they'd lost the great racial struggle in the East so the complete destruction of Germany was nature just taking its course. Listening to way too much Wagner can make a fella strange.

 

[gosub]

I recall reading Hitler decided they'd lost the great racial struggle in the East so the complete destruction of Germany was nature just taking its course. Listening to way too much Wagner can make a fella strange.

Eukadol more likely.

 

[bimble]

David Schneider

 

[CrabbedOne]

3 PM's would have actually experienced a gas attack. Churchill, Eden, Mcmillian.

I was wondering about Attlee who served on the Western front and in Mesopotamia as well.

 

[Pickman's model]

3 PM's would have actually experienced a gas attack. Churchill, Eden, Mcmillian.

churchill certainly didn't "And what did you do in the Great War? Mr Churchill?"