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On TSG IntelBrief: Investigating Russian Active Measures Against the U.S.
My bold.

We did have a situation where a large part of the US electorate (72% of Republicans and ~15% of Dems) doubted Obama was an American and 41% of Republicans were sure he wasn't. Add on the Dems who thought that and it's nearly half the damn electorate. This was despite an authenticated birth certificate being produced.

And don't make this about poorly educated or even stupid people. What I encountered was folk with PHDs and Economics Degrees and one with a Major in Native American Studies (for fuck's sake) eagerly agreeing that a Kenyan had staged an illegitimate coup to take over the Whitehouse and was probably a stealth Muslim to boot. It made no damn difference if you where from the globalised coastal elite or a redneck in flyover country it was an article of faith:
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And the guy who was the GOP nominee for President was for years a prominent booster of this fairly obvious racist dog whistle of a lie who would finally disown it with zero political damage. This wasn't even being tired of experts. This was a plain mental willingness to believe in any old expedient bollocks. Is it actually surprising they then put this appalling Queens jerk off in the Oval Office?

I haven't seen anyone suggesting this was the work of an FSB cyber campaign; at least not yet.
I've said this before here. I doubt most birthers genuinely believe Obama shouldn't have been President because he wasn't born in America. They just find it "more palatable" to say that than what they really think - he shouldn't have been President because he was Black.
 
On Politico Trump’s team eager to woo Democrats on tax reform

Interestingly initiative led by Treasury Secretary and housing crash profiteer Steven Mnuchin. Can Dems demonstrate solidarity and continue to obstruct Trump in every move or fail to resist something nicely regressive like a juicy corporate tax cut? The tax code is probably the single subject that Hill lobbyists are most excited by. One tweak can make an interest group billions. It's quite likely that Trump's swamp creatures will find some bipartisan support here.

Speaking of swampiness in general:facepalm:
Congressional Energy and Climate Committees Are Loaded with Ex-Fossil Fuel Lobbyists
The White House should just stick a 'for sale' notice up on the lawn.
 
On TSG IntelBrief: Investigating Russian Active Measures Against the U.S.
My bold.

We did have a situation where a large part of the US electorate (72% of Republicans and ~15% of Dems) doubted Obama was an American and 41% of Republicans were sure he wasn't. Add on the Dems who thought that and it's nearly half the damn electorate. This was despite an authenticated birth certificate being produced.

And don't make this about poorly educated or even stupid people. What I encountered was folk with PHDs and Economics Degrees and one with a Major in Native American Studies (for fuck's sake) eagerly agreeing that a Kenyan had staged an illegitimate coup to take over the Whitehouse and was probably a stealth Muslim to boot. It made no damn difference if you where from the globalised coastal elite or a redneck in flyover country it was an article of faith:
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And the guy who was the GOP nominee for President was for years a prominent booster of this fairly obvious racist dog whistle of a lie who would finally disown it with zero political damage. This wasn't even being tired of experts. This was a plain mental willingness to believe in any old expedient bollocks. Is it actually surprising they then put this appalling Queens jerk off in the Oval Office?

I haven't seen anyone suggesting this was the work of an FSB cyber campaign; at least not yet.

Mebbes suggests that institutional racism is alive and well across a broader spectrum of Americans than most would want to admit?
I always found it incredible that any Americans ( outside of the totally KKK redneck brigade)would give the birther conspiracy any credibility.
This, and CRIs posts, RE.; .white suprematists, would suggest that deep rooted and widespread racism and bigotry aren't the preserve of TTT 'base'
Fucking depressing.
 
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He is not going to like this.

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I really hope the media pick this up and runs with it, it says so much, in a succinct and easily understandable way about TTTs presidency.
Informed and detailed dissertations about TTTs behaviour and appointments aren't going to 'cut it'
Cartoons (such as this) and incisive one liners, sadly, seem to be the only weapons that make the GOP squirm and take notice.
 
On Vox One of Trump’s central problems? He doesn’t get policy.
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The president’s lack of comfort in discussing the bill’s details — to the point where it wasn’t even clear he understood what it did — was widely apparent, and it hurt his efforts to sell the bill to reluctant Republicans in Congress. One Freedom Caucus source told the New Yorker’s Ryan Lizza that Trump was “in over his head” and “seems to neither get the politics nor the policy of this.” Rep. Walter Jones (R-NC) left a conference meeting with Trump sayingthe president gave “no details” on policy and only said the GOP would have “political problems” if it failed.

Finally, this is an issue beyond just the health bill — it’s helping exacerbate the White House’s already messy decision-making and management problems, per the New York Times’s Maggie Haberman. A major story of the White House so far, Haberman tweeted Friday, is “how impossible it is for decisions to get made, partly because POTUS has little clarity on what he wants to do, per several officials.”

She continues: “Decisions get made and POTUS agrees, then something happens and he questions why he wasn't fully briefed the first time, then goes [with] a rival camp that wants something different.” The end result, she writes, is a “death battle over who can move the president in a game of inches.”

It’s difficult to see how this problem gets solved. As Lowry writes, it is at least possible to imagine a savvy and practical implementation of the more “populist” aspects of Trump’s agenda. But, for now at least, that’s not the president we have.
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One of Trump's odd strengths as a candidate was being not just wildly inconsistent but really opaque about what he would actually do in office. You were essentially asked to believe in Trump's branded billionaire superpowers and that sold pretty well to the GOP base long conditioned to worship the wealth creators.

He would build a wall and Mexico would pay but how he'd get them to do that was never clear. He had a plan to destroy IS in 30 days but it was secret. He would get rid of NAFTA and make new trade deals but little more was said than they'd be wonderful. Healthcare would be universal, cheaper and better but there was no meat about how this would work. He would work with the hotly defended Russians in some vague way that was so unlike that of GOP establishment. It was a stark contrast to the boring mass of wonky, unimaginative detail presented by the Clinton campaign.

Then probably against even his own expectations he gets into office and it becomes really apparent there was really no structure behind his policy ideas. It was all just a wobbly facade covering up Trump's essential vacuity. All he can do is go with not even barely understood existing schemes and make minor tweaks. The wall turns out to be just another porky Federal project he has to slash and burn other public projects to have any hope of a grumpy Congress paying for it. He takes Obama's "disastrous" anti-IS policy and adds a bit more latitude given to its Pentagon planners. Paul Ryan's crazily regressive healthcare bill is adopted it seems virtually sight unseen. The "disastrous" NAFTA gets a 1.0.1 release that looks very like the addition of parts of TPP and Clinton policy. A few incredibly inept months in and the Russians are now describing US-Russia relations as perhaps worse than during the Cold War. A floundering Trump slaps his brand on stale GOP establishment products just as he did with Vodka he never tasted.

On top of that he's an old 80s real estate guy used to milking a buck out of politicians but bewildered by being their peer in a world of party networks and dogmatic policy preferences. He charms, he bullies, he threatens to walk away but he fails to make the sale. He won against the odds playing a dirty game against the team and finds now he has so little political capital. He is a frequently golfing fifth wheel on the party machine. Ominously it is all like the Casino business he never bothered to understand and lost a fortune on.
 
On Slate 666 Fifth Ave.

Podcast on the Kushners and the multibillion dollar building that young Jared bought on credit just before the real estate crash. Well at least the kid married well. They still have a lot of boring residential property turning in steady rents but 666 has been a vast money hole. Despite that the Kushner family empire is described as a pretty solid bet compared to Trump's lender burning boutique business. Story features, prostitutes, blackmail and restful jail sentences but then the Kushners do do a lot of business in New Jersey. Raises huge conflict of interests questions with Jared now being the right hand of Trump and about to get deep in bed with a big Chinese company the US Navy blocked buying a hotel their officers use because of worries over security.
 
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George Takei Has Bombshell Announcement, And Washington Is Reeling

George Takei and his husband Brad have been long time Los Angelinos, so when word got out that they were scoping property out in rural Tulare County, California, people grew curious as to why.
It appears that famous duo have purchased a ranch-style home in Visalia for the express purpose: George Takei is running for Congress.

Takei told us over the phone:

Well, I guess the jig is up.
With what is going on now in the country, I couldn’t stand by any longer merely as a citizen. I knew I had to take a bigger stand. So that’s why I’m running for Congress. My hope is to challenge Davin Nunes for his seat in 2018....
 
On Recode How Donald Trump crippled U.S. technology and science policy
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After taking office, the president and his team raced to produce their plan for funding the government in 2018, a document that hoped to give life to the president’s campaign promises, including Trump’s proposed wall along the U.S.-Mexico border.

In planning it, White House officials borrowed heavily from the conservative-leaning Heritage Foundation. For months, experts at the organization had quietly served on the teams advising Trump on how to staff his future government, and the president’s budget ultimately included many of the spending cuts that Heritage historically has championed. Among them: Almost $6 billion in cuts at the National Institutes of Health.

Previously, the Heritage Foundation’s political arm, Heritage Action, had railed against a bipartisan bill in Congress to grow NIH. (It became law anyway.) The 2018 budget also sought to eliminate research dollars at the Energy Department, a longtime target of conservative critics, on top of programs at NASA and the country’s weather hub, NOAA.

In doing so, however, Trump did not consult even a slimmed-down OSTP at all, multiple sources said. In other words, the cuts to NIH and the Energy Department’s version of DARPA — that Pentagon money hub that has spawned so many startups, like the Thiel-backed data giant, Palantir — came about largely without the input of anyone familiar with those fields. Some policy aides only got to see the budget after it had been published online, multiple sources said.
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In 65 5.8% of the federal budget went on non-defence R&D in 2015 that was down to 1.6%. Trump is cutting that even further.

This is incredibly shortsighted and obviously led by Trump's disinterest in innovation and by loopy free market dogma. Trump's budget proposes a 18% cut in the National Institute for Health for instance from its $32 billion budget. So not much more than 20% of Trump's dumb wall. The NIH in contrast is an example of tax payer's money well invested. An awful lot of successful drugs on the US market started out based on NIH research. There's many areas that are too speculative and some simply not liable to turn a profit but may be vital for public health. There are actually bi-partisan objections to this silly bit of cheese paring in Congress.

An opinion from a couple of years ago when things looked to be going in another direction:
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The fact that the NIH is the preeminent developer of basic medical science in the world is without question. The number of basic science discoveries funded by the NIH, Nobel Prize winners with a history of funding from NIH, and many other indicators show the tremendous influence of NIH on basic medical science. Yet today, Congress has failed to maintain a strong federal investment in NIH. The Medical Innovation Act, a bill introduced by Elizabeth Warren in the Senate and Chris Van Hollen in the House, would help jumpstart vital new research by giving the NIH a much-needed funding boost and likely keep my colleague in the field.

The Medical Innovation Act would accomplish this by using funds from large pharmaceutical companies that have committed wrongdoing to support the NIH. The bill would ask these companies to pay a relatively small additional sum into NIH research after they enter into settlement agreements with the government.

Why should we ask pharmaceutical companies to help support NIH research? Because they take the basic science information and technology developed through NIH-funded research and use it to develop new drugs, which are then sold in the marketplace for billions of dollars. Once they receive approval from the FDA, the pharmaceutical companies are given virtual monopolies to sell the drugs for a prescribed time period and have complete freedom to set the prices that they want to charge for these drugs. Because of this, the largest drugmakers brought in a combined $90 billion in profits in 2013 alone.
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It's a very American collaboration. Big Pharma has actually profited hugely from government funded basic research that they simply would not have done themselves. This doesn't mean the state should stop doing this because it simply won't happen otherwise. The Big Pharma companies are a delivery mechanism for science that often happens elsewhere in small biotechs or places like the NIH. Their big bureaucracies create and market globally the finalised product. It's not a perfect system but patients often see huge benefits. Actually patients all round the world.
 
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I still say Democrats will only win back the Congress and White House, if they build on their existing supporter base - reaching out to those who didn't vote/voted 3rd party or prevented through voter suppression, but not waste time on Trump supporters. Regretful Trump voters won't make the mistake again. Others picked Trump because they actually liked his and his party's policies and plans.

To attract white blue collar Trump voters, Democrats would have to shift to the right, watering down positions on abortion, gun control, immigration, civil rights, etc. which in turn, would alienate their existing support base.

Sure enough I''m now stumbling across articles urging Democrats to drop their pro-choice stance, advocacy for LBGTQ and civil rights, etc. to "reach out to" white working class Trump supporters.

There's No Economic Justice Without Abortion Rights: Some men in the Democratic Party seem to think a strong defense of reproductive rights is optional.

"Economic anxiety" was such a common explanation for these voters' support of Trump that it's become a cliche, but one still embraced by many politicians and the talking-head class, despite the very obvious fact that the most economically anxious voters in the country — those making the least amount of money — cast their ballots for Clinton. And while the poorest voters supported Clinton, the starkest divides in voting patterns weren't along class lines, but lines of race, education, and gender.

In spite of this, even some on the self-proclaimed socialist left, like Sanders, now seem willing to sell out abortion rights in pursuit of the elusive vote of the working-class white man. There's no evidence that moving right on abortion will gain Democratic votes. But it's an appeal to the same dynamic Trump ran on: a bygone America, the symbol of which is the white factory man, able to support his children and a stay-at-home wife on the salary he earned doing good honest work with his hands.

Do folk on the left feel a moral obligation to "save" white working class Americans from themselves, even if that makes life worse for those already suffering most due to institutional racism, sexism, homophobia, vilification of the poorest, etc.? It also seems incredibly patronising - like these Trump supporters are just misguided and can be lured into being good socialists with political pep talks, pats on the back and promises of jobs that will never come.

Nope. This is the way.

Democrats should be following Maxine Waters’ lead if they want to win the 2018 elections

Trump is staggeringly unpopular for a president this early in his term; why try to compromise with someone whose support is disintegrating? Democrats are desperate for leaders who will take a principled stand and reject Trump’s politics of hectoring bigotry and cruelty.

Democrats been trying to figure out how to recapture white voters since white Southerns began deserting the party in the wake of the Civil Rights movements of the 1960s (pdf). Now the issue has become particularly pressing once again, with Bernie Sanders saying that he felt “humiliated” that so many members of the white working class voted for Trump.

Expanding the party’s appeal is good. But it’s important not to abandon principle while doing it. Rather than looking to Trump voters, Democrats should take a moment to listen to Waters—who understands the importance of talking boldly about what you’re against, and what you’re for.

 
Please explain to this working class woman why the term 'working class' must always, always be prefaced with 'white male' wc? Who, exactly, is pushing this agenda that the only working class people who 'count' are white men. I am fairly certain that the working class includes women and people of the entire variety of ethnic types...and ultimately, like it or not, class will always trump (no pun intended) gender, colour or indeed, any other so-called identities. Failing to prioritise social (economic) class above other issues truly speaks to that moneyed class of Democrats who happen to have gay, black friends (but certainly not poor ones). Also, as a feminist, my agenda is always predicated on class issues as opposed to singularly 'female' ones...and while I demand and expect freedom of choice, again, this always comes down to class politics (who has access, knowledge, power) rather than some vague femaleness (which I call into question as some essentialist category anyway.

Erm - exactly what did Maxine Waters have to say that was so revolutionary and important other than some utter guff about being a 'strong black woman'...and?
 
Please explain to this working class woman why the term 'working class' must always, always be prefaced with 'white male' wc? Who, exactly, is pushing this agenda that the only working class people who 'count' are white men. I am fairly certain that the working class includes women and people of the entire variety of ethnic types...and ultimately, like it or not, class will always trump (no pun intended) gender, colour or indeed, any other so-called identities. Failing to prioritise social (economic) class above other issues truly speaks to that moneyed class of Democrats who happen to have gay, black friends (but certainly not poor ones). Also, as a feminist, my agenda is always predicated on class issues as opposed to singularly 'female' ones...and while I demand and expect freedom of choice, again, this always comes down to class politics (who has access, knowledge, power) rather than some vague femaleness (which I call into question as some essentialist category anyway.

Erm - exactly what did Maxine Waters have to say that was so revolutionary and important other than some utter guff about being a 'strong black woman'...and?
its a nasty little twist on identity politics and seeks to box workers voices in with a nice spoke on the Wheel of Opression. I've noticed the phrase 'white working class' being around for a while now(liberal dogwhistle for lumpen racists). The 'male' addition to this is a newer one on me.
 
Please explain to this working class woman why the term 'working class' must always, always be prefaced with 'white male' wc? Who, exactly, is pushing this agenda that the only working class people who 'count' are white men. I am fairly certain that the working class includes women and people of the entire variety of ethnic types...and ultimately, like it or not, class will always trump (no pun intended) gender, colour or indeed, any other so-called identities. Failing to prioritise social (economic) class above other issues truly speaks to that moneyed class of Democrats who happen to have gay, black friends (but certainly not poor ones). Also, as a feminist, my agenda is always predicated on class issues as opposed to singularly 'female' ones...and while I demand and expect freedom of choice, again, this always comes down to class politics (who has access, knowledge, power) rather than some vague femaleness (which I call into question as some essentialist category anyway.

Erm - exactly what did Maxine Waters have to say that was so revolutionary and important other than some utter guff about being a 'strong black woman'...and?


As far as this country is concerned, it is used in an explicitly racist and erroneous way, as a means of qualifying racism because if you oppose a definition incorporating "working class" then you can be straw-manned as a snob.

Fascism is founded not least on martyr myths.

The "white working class" thing probably started out as a liberal academic thing, well meaning enough...but then became appropriated not least by bourgeois shits pretending to be on the side of the working class.

What the phrase explicitly now does is to racialise class, which is fundamentally both disgusting and contradictory to the principal of pro-working class politics. It's high-octane propaganda and very successful. Gimps like BBC "news" absolutely love this stuff.

However, it's also stupendously erroneous in that many Eastern European migrants to this country are white working class - do we suppose these are who is meant when invoking the phrase for martyr purposes?

Course not.

But working class people whos families have been here for generations are excluded from the category, essentially on account of pigmentation i.e flagrant racism. Happily, decades of right wing propaganda has persuaded lots of people, even some leftists, that saying racism is racist is itself deeply problematic, we should "listen to concerns" etc. More recently, racism is routinely euphemised as "populism".

The white working class are shat on for sure, not because they are white but because they are working class. Invoking the meme is a bait & switch, and for dupes of the authoritarian / conservative elite (only liberal "elites" are lined up for denouncement). Those dupes seem to be in plentiful supply.

The male thing is just another stack-on, not least because men are probably more inclined to fall for this kind of horse-shit with their petty bruised egos and so forth.

For decades, the left agonised about the worth of identity politics, strategy etc. It's a vital ongoing discussion. But it was pilloried for it from the right.

Yet, when the right want to invoke it - well that's absolutely fine.

The run up to Trumps election had a lot of focus on how awful the left were for caring about non gendered toilets or whatever...but then a stronger and clearer form of identity politics stormed the White House anyway.
 
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Quite lengthy account of Mr trumps adventures so far here that quibbles a lot on whether he is a fascist or not. Neofascism in the White House by John Bellamy Foster | Monthly Review seems to think he's doomed economically quite quickly with disaster for all concerned.


Can Trump succeed economically? An analysis in the Financial Times at the end of February suggests that “the effect of Mr. Trump’s economic agenda will be to deepen the conditions that gave rise to his candidacy.”106 Given the deep-seated stagnation in the economy, and the structural basis of this in the overaccumulation of capital, any attempt to put the U.S. economy on another trajectory is fraught with difficulties. Former Treasury Secretary Larry Summers writes: “I would put the odds of a U.S. recession at about 1/3 over the next year and at over 1/2 over the next 2 years.”107 Coming along after a lost decade of deep economic stagnation, including an extremely slow economic recovery, this would likely be experienced as calamitous throughout the society.
 
Please explain to this working class woman why the term 'working class' must always, always be prefaced with 'white male' wc? Who, exactly, is pushing this agenda that the only working class people who 'count' are white men. I am fairly certain that the working class includes women and people of the entire variety of ethnic types...and ultimately, like it or not, class will always trump (no pun intended) gender, colour or indeed, any other so-called identities. Failing to prioritise social (economic) class above other issues truly speaks to that moneyed class of Democrats who happen to have gay, black friends (but certainly not poor ones). Also, as a feminist, my agenda is always predicated on class issues as opposed to singularly 'female' ones...and while I demand and expect freedom of choice, again, this always comes down to class politics (who has access, knowledge, power) rather than some vague femaleness (which I call into question as some essentialist category anyway.

I suspect Power Point was involved.
 
Wow, so many ruffled feathers.

This is a thread about the President of the US, and I was speaking about the political context in the US, not the UK. Other North American contributors as well as I have tried to explain that the language and way people see themselves and others with regard to socio-economic class, the pervasive influence of Christianity, the legacy of the nation's foundation on genocide and white supremacy, all make the current political context completely different from the UK.

The precursors of the white Trump voters in what British people would see as the "working class" (although most wouldn't use the term themselves), were the ones getting up petitions to stop black, brown and Jewish people moving into their towns and subdivisions and fighting to keep non-white workers out of "their" unions and out of "their" better paying skilled jobs. They were shouting in the faces of Black children trying to attend all white state schools. They served on juries that acquitted other white "working class" people for torturing and killing African American people. Some watched the lynchings. Some committed them. Like it or not, generations of white Americans across the socio-economic classes and education levels have contributed to and benefited from the systematic exclusion and abuse of non-white Americans.

The fact Trump stood on an openly racist, xenophobic, Islamaphobic platform and attracted the majority of white voters across the socio-economic strata surely shows that a goodly portion of white Americans are at the very least content, at the most very enthusiastic about perpetuating, even extending race-based injustice.

If you think this is bullshit, how do you explain the massive difference in votes for Trump between white people of all social classes and people of colour, especially African Americans? How do you explain why white people from blue collar communities voted overwhelmingly for Trump when they knew his promises of well paid secure manufacturing jobs were bogus and his policies were destined to harm them (but they knew some of his policies would harm Black and brown people more.)

When Sanders says Trump supporters aren't racist or sexist and Democrats have to listen to them, even if he means "not all Trump supporters," it still sends the message to non-white Americans, and those white women who didn't back Trump, that he doesn't give a shit about their plight. I'll accept that British folks may not "hear" all the dog whistles - like with the attacks on Maxine Waters coming from left and white, including "progressive" women like Emma Vigeland. But it's not that hard to find views of non-white Americans out there to fill in the knowledge blanks.

Listen to white working class people too, but don't assume their religious talk is just a silly quirk or dismiss their bigotry as just being a bit misguided. Sure, some live sheltered lives. I used to think the bigotry came from ignorance and lack of access to alternative views or experiences. Well, that argument holds no water in the internet age. They're not stupid and the insularity is their choice.

Believe me, they ain't going to convert into red flag waving socialists no matter how many Sanders speeches they hear or how many fancy political tracts you give them. Christ - as someone who grew up in an 86% Trump voting white rural working class community, I wish it would happen, but it won't. :( The rightward march of the GOP, the audacity of a Black man in the oval office, and the pompous bigotry of the Trump administration has validated and emboldened them.

The impact of the Trump administration will be worldwide, so I'd have thought those who don't like what he's doing would be interested in listening to, maybe even supporting those who are working hardest to bring it down, not slate them for being hung up on "identity politics," but hey, there you go. :rolleyes:


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A tale of two cities - Compare and contrast Tulsa, OK and Gary, IN.

In Trump Country, Shock at Trump Budget Cuts, but Still Loyalty

“This program makes sense,” said Banks, who was placed by the program into a job as a receptionist for a senior nutrition program. Banks said she depends on the job to make ends meet, and for an excuse to get out of the house. “If I lose this job,” she said, “I’ll sit home and die.”

Yet she said she might still vote for Trump in 2020. And that’s a refrain I heard over and over. Some of the loyalty seemed to be grounded in resentment at Democrats for mocking Trump voters as dumb bigots, some from a belief that budgets are complicated, and some from a sense that it’s too early to abandon their man. They did say that if jobs didn’t reappear, they would turn against him.

One recent survey found that only 3 percent of Trump voters would vote differently if the election were today (and most of those would vote for third-party candidates; only 1 percent said they would switch to voting for Hillary Clinton).

White flight followed factory jobs out of Gary, Indiana. Black people didn't have a choice

Although George doesn’t overlook Trump’s policies on race and immigration (“Is Trump a racist? Of course he is”), he also differs from many Trump voters in his assessment of the country’s problems.

“Trump can’t bring jobs back because the jobs are gone to automation. We used to have 10 men doing cleanup in my job. Now one man operates a machine. We used to have 10 men running the furnaces. Now robots run them.”

That view is a marked difference from what you hear from people in working-class white towns that voted for Trump, who are quick to assign blame to immigration and jobs moving overseas.
 
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