Johnny Canuck3
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The Trump presidency
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I think there's a general assumption that Obama would've whomped Trump, but the more I think about it, the more I'm wondering. Obama's single major policy initiative ended up representing the problem it was aimed at solving. The 6k deductible is a real problem. OK so it's Marco Rubios fault because he's a dishonest sellout shitbag, but people who are so fed up with the directions of their lives and towns/cities aren't going to sit around for my explanation of Rubios screwjob CRominbus amendment.
If anyone wants to talk demographics, Michigan, Bernie, 30pt upset, that was evidence of a systemic poll bias not normal poll error margins. Therefore the rest of the midwest polling could be all screwed up - with that, voter suppression and the Comey swing, there's your Trump win.
Still thinking someone needs to have a long look at the PA exit polls vs actual votes.
Anyway in other Trump news, he tweeted his distraction tweet (Ivanka Nordstrom) during a scheduled intelligence briefing. He's distracting from Flynn being a traitor and about to get sacked from an appointed govt post for the third time. Anyone thinking the intelligence briefing was actually about Flynn?
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Demeaning???
snadge
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I didn't know that was still true.
Johnny Canuck3
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Yes. Over here, referring to a woman as 'Pocahontas' because of some connection to Aboriginal ancestry, is a racial slur - a gender-specific racial slur.
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Dear god.
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Johnny Canuck3
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If Warren was male, Trump would probably refer to him as 'Cochise'.
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WTF is this? *switches to twitter*
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Banged it.
JC3's finger on the pulse.
Are you suggesting that JC is wrong about that?
J Ed
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Yes, without the sort of hysteria and hyperbole we have seen from others (see the Olbermann tweet upthread). That is what happens when you have actual political objections. Being something of a swamp drainer, or an aspiring swamp drainer, she is perhaps well placed to attack Trump over political corruption.
Clearly she must be at least considering a run in 2020.
While an improvement on Clinton, she does not even match the already quite lukewarm Soc Dem politics of Bernie Sanders (she is more hawkish on foreign policy on Sanders, who himself is more hawkish than he is perceived to be) but due to her inquisitorial questioning of financial sector players post-2008 crash she has a lot of populist credibility. That in mind, her support for her current position in Massachusetts is not exactly rock solid, the Democrats may well need to look elsewhere for a candidate.
J Ed
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I don't understand this thread of conversation either. Are we saying that the obviously racist slur is so obviously racist that it isn't worth pointing out? I'm confused.
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Without this thread I would never have picked up on anything demeaning. I'd have assumed he meant she was assuming a cultural heritage she wasn't entitled to. (That's dodgy enough, btw.)
J Ed
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Trump is doing both of those things.
CrabbedOne
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Would you really expect life expectancy to go up when the young folk have mostly flipped out of state to find work? Because that's often what has happened.
The difference is mainly that bottom decile white Americans in some places are now developing a similar set of social ills to minority communities. High drug use, high levels of alcoholism, high rates of divorce and abandonment of children and suicide and other causes of premature death. It's not the people with the best prospects who stick around. The men are falling apart for a complex variety of reasons of which a changing job market is just one. That's all happening in proximity to folks who really are not doing so badly and that's scary particularly as these people used to look much like them. This happens to communities, the crack epidemic in the 90s devastated a lot of black American ones while mysteriously not so badly afflicting other communities that got into it. I recall stepping over an awful lot of the casualties passed out on US city streets and the horrific crime wave.
But again if poorer folk voted they tended to vote for Clinton not Trump. If Trump had really moved a lot of them he'd have won the popular vote by a landslide not just created some fairly small swings in critical states. And that's despite all the vigorous dog whistling to those that Clinton called "deplorable".
Clinton was promising things that actually might help the poorest like a higher minimum wage. There was always a little lack of sincerity about this being a priority but it was there. Like Obamacare that's really not seen as much use to a hard working man in a steady job earning $50K+. That's his taxes being redistributed away from him to what he sees as a lower order and that's a rational position you'll hear expressed in blue collar bars up and down the country. That down trodden white demographic is one he's really scared of ever joining. What the typical Trump voter wants are lower taxes and a better paying job. Maybe some nice work in an expanded shale boom. He wants the feeling of actually moving up the ladder like his father seemed to not doggedly treading water. Like all those nicely dressed folks around him baying along to Trump in his big tent preaching something very like the Prosperity Gospel.
So I really don't buy this as principally a class war led by a everyman saviour of the despairing white poor in the midst of unprecedented American Carnage. If it's a great revolt it's by aspirational blue collar folk who really think of themselves as solidly middle class and were optimistic enough to buy that the magical power of Trumpismo would make it stay that way rather than collapsing the entire system.
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Apologies for posting this. I've always dismissed it as nonsense. This clip is highly selective quoting. But the meme is gaining traction. Isn't it simply more hysteria? Is there any - any at all - other evidence? Sure, plenty of stuff compatible with the meme, but then there's plenty of stuff out there compatible with the hypothesis that I'm a Martian.
Sirena
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Sure, he can read. But does he, that's the question that *should* be asked.
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I think we already know the answer to that. But it would be even more worrying (is that possible?) if he were entirely dependent on others to tell him what's written down.
CrabbedOne
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Gen Flynn looking increasingly wobbly.
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Perhaps flower arranging or embroidery on their day off. Or maybe more prosaically catching up on the laundry
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Perhaps it's
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Petraeus is at least good at the day job which is more than can be said of flynn
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