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Those were in my jacket which I had left at my sister's.
The stupidity of the anti-vaxx nutcases
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Those were in my jacket which I had left at my sister's.
Monkeygrinder's Organ
Dodgy geezer swilling vapid lager
Belgium's Van Ranst: Covid scientist targeted by a far-right sniper
Many scientists have come under attack in the pandemic, but Marc Van Ranst's family are in a safe house.
www.bbc.co.uk
Have we had this yet? Mad stuff.
ddraig
kicking against the pricks...
Think soBelgium's Van Ranst: Covid scientist targeted by a far-right sniper
Many scientists have come under attack in the pandemic, but Marc Van Ranst's family are in a safe house.www.bbc.co.uk
Have we had this yet? Mad stuff.
Mad how a known "far right rogue soldier" can still be in a barracks and have access to weaponry!
Raheem
Well-Known Member
Well, they need an army...Mad how a known "far right rogue soldier" can still be in a barracks and have access to weaponry!
scalyboy
They’re taking the piss now
Naomi Wolf banned from Twitter for spreading vaccine myths
‘Last month she told a US congressional committee that vaccine passports would “re-create a situation that is very familiar to me as a student of history. This has been the start of many, many genocides.”’
“... the first person to be banned from Twitter for being too stupid”
cupid_stunt
Merry fecking Christmas.
BigMoaner
What A Load of Old Bollocks
Jesus
What scares me is how far removed it is from reality. I can deal with political disagreement when I get the sense that the person is sharing the same reality.
I watched that C4 thing last night. Wow, Andrew Wakefield. I remember the controversy but was left with the impression he was incompetent, used bad methodology and something about another researcher's experiment, potatoes and rats... But full on corrupt venal bastard, I missed that.
And that bleach guy, needs a large dose of his own MMS medicine.
And that bleach guy, needs a large dose of his own MMS medicine.
scalyboy
They’re taking the piss now
My favourite one of her claims was the one where she suggested that vaccines are a "software platform that can receive uploads"
scalyboy
They’re taking the piss now
You make a good distinction there; I can discuss the pros and cons of Brexit with people who voted a different way to me, but (I feel) there's no hope trying to debate with an anti-vaxxer/Covid-denier/pro-virus person. I've never blocked anyone for having an opposing view of Brexit to me, but the Covid truthers* are something else...
* not including people who are concerned about potential side-effects from the vaccines. I think that's a not unreasonable, although largely unwarranted fear. 'Vaccine-hesitant' regarding the Covid vaccines, rather than 'anti-vaccine' (inc. MMR, polio, Covid etc) as a whole.
Monkeygrinder's Organ
Dodgy geezer swilling vapid lager
Yeah it's difficult isn't it. I was thinking about whether there's anything in this that I do identify with or see in people who haven't gone fully down the rabbit hole. How someone might start down that path. The best I can come up with is that sort of automatic cynicism that you see as a result of the sheer amount of info we're all bombarded with, a lot of which definitely is dodgy, which I think essentially comes from a desire not to be mugged off. Or not to be seen to be mugged off at least. All that 'they're all the same, they're all liars' type stuff - I don't think it's true but it's a lot easier and you don't leave yourself open to accusations of naivety. On a trivial level you can see it here when new posters are called trolls in that if they're not it doesn't really matter but if you treat them seriously and they turn out to be on a windup you seem like a mug.
So maybe there's a sort of logical endpoint of that where you just reject anything you're told wholesale - nobody is getting the better of you! And that then leaves a massive hole you can fill with whatever you feel like. And you don't see that they're just grifters because you've sought them out, done your research etc.
scalyboy
They’re taking the piss now
I reckon you're right, that in recent years the sheer volume of information later proved to be false has increased greatly. Leading to widespread cynicism.
But I still find myself puzzled as to why so many people seem unable to assess different sources of information critically; I mean, if I see some bloke's opinion on YouTube or Facebook I treat it with greater scepticism than a story on the Graun website (for example). Doesn't mean the bloke is incorrect, just that I shelve my acceptance until I receive further confirmation. Whereas I tend to trust the Graun more (maybe naive of me...) and accept the truth of the story until proved otherwise.
Does the cynicism brought about by false info from official sources (e.g. Saddam Hussein has the capability of deploying WMDs within 45 minutes) lead some people to distrust and disregard all 'MSM' news sources automatically? In which case, why not believe Pete from Bedford...
hitmouse
music obfuscation technology
Already been posted here in the main Naomi Wolf thread, but anyway, Naomi Wolf's twitter account may be gone, but her genius level understanding of 1970s Belfast will not be forgotten:
farmerbarleymow
I'm Petee's spirit animal
That can't be real, surely? Can anyone be that ignorant of history?
Monkeygrinder's Organ
Dodgy geezer swilling vapid lager
It's probably very simplistic but I think there's definitely something along those lines going on. Somewhere along the line that critical assessment of sources just gets totally thrown out doesn't it. I've mentioned before that my brother is a bit CT ish and his most recent justification is that the BBC covered up what Jimmy Savile was up to. Which is a fair point against believing unsceptically in everything on the BBC, but a much weaker one when it comes to rejecting absolutely everything they say, and downright bizarre when it's used to criticize someone who is, say, a Professor of Virology at Cambridge University. But that's where he is.
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LDC
On est tous des pangolins
Yeah, among some of what they say there's often a point, albeit very well hidden usually...
hitmouse
music obfuscation technology
I'm afraid that they can. She is American, tbf.
BigTom
Well-Known Member
Yeah it was real.
In addition to the Belfast in the 1970s thing, Belfast was one of the first cities in the UK to get 5G networks, having been a testbed for EE since may 2019, a couple of months before the tweet: 5G – entering the age of invention
It's almost hilarious how wrong the tweet is.
LeytonCatLady
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My housemate shouted at me tonight for stroking the cat because "You've been vaccinated! You're shedding!" I must've looked shocked because he added "I can see your energy has changed and I'm sorry, but as her parent, I have to protect her until there's proof the Covid jab isn't a threat." He then said he might consider socialising with me again if I didn't get the second jab.
This is a shock because although I knew he had concerns, the three of us went to the park on Saturday and had beers and nibbles to celebrate my other housemate's birthday and we sat together, although not too close (about same distance as every other seat on the tube). And I do understand him wanting to protect his cat, but I'm heartbroken at not being allowed to stroke her, although he doesn't mind me talking to her without physical contact. Birthday housemate is cautious too but has just apologised for him when we were on our own because he thought he'd been rude and has had no problem being friendly even when social distancing.
I'm just pissed off though that I can't win. Don't get the jab and you're a granny killer, get it and you're a bedwetting sheep and a contagious threat either way.
I was so lonely before I moved into this house and thought he was my mate. I can't stand it if they all start avoiding me. I'm 34, not getting any younger and the older you get the harder it is to make new friends. I've got a couple of friends outside this house, but not many. What if this drags on for years and years and I can't busk or spontaneously get chatting with new people down the pub like I could before all this, and I'm stuck in a house with conspiracy theorists treating me like a leper?
This is a shock because although I knew he had concerns, the three of us went to the park on Saturday and had beers and nibbles to celebrate my other housemate's birthday and we sat together, although not too close (about same distance as every other seat on the tube). And I do understand him wanting to protect his cat, but I'm heartbroken at not being allowed to stroke her, although he doesn't mind me talking to her without physical contact. Birthday housemate is cautious too but has just apologised for him when we were on our own because he thought he'd been rude and has had no problem being friendly even when social distancing.
I'm just pissed off though that I can't win. Don't get the jab and you're a granny killer, get it and you're a bedwetting sheep and a contagious threat either way.
I was so lonely before I moved into this house and thought he was my mate. I can't stand it if they all start avoiding me. I'm 34, not getting any younger and the older you get the harder it is to make new friends. I've got a couple of friends outside this house, but not many. What if this drags on for years and years and I can't busk or spontaneously get chatting with new people down the pub like I could before all this, and I'm stuck in a house with conspiracy theorists treating me like a leper?
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LDC
On est tous des pangolins
He sounds totally mental, nasty, and manipulative tbh. He actually thinks you'll give the cat covid from stroking her as you've had the vaccine? FFS.
two sheds
Least noticed poster 2007
If he's not been vaccinated he's the one likely to be shedding stuff. The vaccine is at least dead, he could be shedding live coronavirus
Does he not care about his pussy cat? Or even sick and vulnerable people?
Coronavirus: Pet cat found to have virus in UK
It is thought the animal caught the virus from its owner.
www.bbc.co.uk
Does he not care about his pussy cat? Or even sick and vulnerable people?
ddraig
kicking against the pricks...
Nightmare, sorry to read this LeytonCatLady 
When he says "I have to protect her until there's proof the Covid jab isn't a threat" is it possible to ask what proof there is of "shedding" and/or any of his (idiotic) claims?
When he says "I have to protect her until there's proof the Covid jab isn't a threat" is it possible to ask what proof there is of "shedding" and/or any of his (idiotic) claims?
LeytonCatLady
Well-Known Member
I think he just means time will tell. He's not anti-vax in general, just scared of the Covid jab and wants more time to assess if it's safe. The only proof he can offer is from random articles written by people like Joseph Mercola and Kate somebody, and he accepts it without question because they have medical qualifications. Trying to point out that having qualifications isn't the same as using them responsibly doesn't seem to work either.Nightmare, sorry to read this LeytonCatLady
When he says "I have to protect her until there's proof the Covid jab isn't a threat" is it possible to ask what proof there is of "shedding" and/or any of his (idiotic) claims?
ddraig
kicking against the pricks...
Do you think he knows how long he's going to wait before he admits it's safe??
Hopefully not 5 years!!
Millions of people have already had it with hardly any issues (as you know)
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