Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
Was there a programme on the antivaxx nut jobs last night as he was banging on about it?
The stupidity of the anti-vaxx nutcases
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spitfire
Walty McWaltface
Yeah, was pretty interesting. Corbyn is an utter lunatic. It's being discussed on some of the other vax threads, there's quite a few now.
The Anti-Vax Conspiracy
Who are the people behind the anti-Covid-vaccine movement? And why are they doing it?
www.channel4.com
Supine
Newt Member
Unless he’s as thick as a plank he should have been completely changing his outlook after watching it
two sheds
Least noticed poster 2007
I think I've spotted the flaw in your argument
LeytonCatLady
Well-Known Member
Thanks for this. I've sent him these articles, and we discussed it in the garden later that day. He says he doesn't believe the "shedding" theory 100 percent and might be willing to have the Covid jab when he's had more chance to judge whether it's safe/ after more people have had it.This nonsense started of as simple 'vaccine shedding', which can only happen if a vaccine includes a live virus, none of the covid vaccines do.
Then they moved onto 'spike protein shedding', which is also impossible, and complete nonsense.
They were rushed, for understandable reasons, but they still under went all the usual trials, these two articles have helped a few people I know that had such concerns, could help your housemate, if they are willing to read them. People that are just hesitant about the vaccines can be persuaded IME, it's the covid deniers & extreme anti-vaxxers that are beyond help.
The vaccine miracle: how scientists waged the battle against Covid-19
We trace the extraordinary research effort, from the discovery of the virus’s structure to the start of inoculations this weekwww.theguardian.com
The Covid vaccine arrived quickly – but there's every reason to trust it | Charlotte Summers
It’s safe, it works, and it gives a tantalising glimpse of what else might be achieved given sufficient political will, says Dr Charlotte Summers, of the University of Cambridge
I think for a lot of aggressive anti-vaxxers, they're not really confident in their decision not to have the jab themselves, which is why they feel the need to demonise those who do get vaccinated (as opposed to the ones who just quietly choose not to get jabbed but don't make a big song and dance/ sell tickets.) And they prey on people like my friend, who might be more easily swayed, which is disgusting. They know a lot of people are scared and suspicious of each other, and are taking advantage of and exploiting our fear. It's nothing but divide and rule tactics. I think that's the real conspiracy in all this!
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cupid_stunt
Merry fecking Christmas.
Well, that's at least a partial result, hopefully he will decide to go ahead with the jab, and make it a total result.
As I said before, people that are just hesitant about the vaccines can be persuaded IME, it's the covid deniers & extreme anti-vaxxers that are beyond help.
Yeah, was pretty interesting. Corbyn is an utter lunatic. It's being discussed on some of the other vax threads, there's quite a few now.
The Anti-Vax Conspiracy
Who are the people behind the anti-Covid-vaccine movement? And why are they doing it?www.channel4.com
It's well worth watching, not least because it makes no pretence to be "balanced" on the matter. I knew of Andrew Wakefield's disgrace in this country, but not about his second coming in the States.
I also didn't know about RFK Junior being an anti-vaxxer.
souljacker
innit
He lends a lot of weight to the cause just by being RFK. People don't seem to realise he's not the real RFK but his sad sack of a son.
equationgirl
Respect my existence or expect my resistance
As someone who was hospitalised the last time I had a vaccine, and who has been advised by their GP not to have it as it is more likely I will have a much worse reaction than be ok, please bear in mind all of you that some people simply cannot have the vaccine no matter how much they want to.
That does not make them stupid, or anti-vax.
That does not make them stupid, or anti-vax.
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
It does make it all the more important that those people who can get vaccinated without problems should do so, though.
cupid_stunt
Merry fecking Christmas.
I doubt anyone here would consider someone unable to have the jab, due to medical advice, to be stupid.
Supine
Newt Member
It’s precisely because some people can’t have vaccines that people who can should. For the good of the herd.
cupid_stunt
Merry fecking Christmas.
I think you mean flock, we're sheep not cows.
equationgirl
Respect my existence or expect my resistance
Look at some of the posts over the past few pages, there's a lot of absolute language being used. I'll see if I can find an example...
cupid_stunt
Merry fecking Christmas.
Yes, but that's in the context of the thread title, regarding 'anti-vaxx nutcases', that clearly doesn't apply to people that can't have the jab, who are clearly not 'anti-vaxx nutcases'.
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
You're on the wrong thread, this one is nothing to do with people that can't have it for medical reasons.
petee
no gods, no malarkey
this isn't right. before he became an antivaxxer he was the single person most responsible for cleaning up the Hudson and the waterways around NYC in general. he established a program at a local law school which has produced a cadre of environmental litigators. he's dangerous not because he's a Kennedy but because he had done enough good to finish as a legend and has squandered his name on antivaxxism. it's a fucking tragedy.
BigMoaner
What A Load of Old Bollocks
Yes refreshingly stuck the boot in
BigMoaner
What A Load of Old Bollocks
That Wakefield dick is proper bond villain shit. Shameless.
Doodler
You're quite nice when you smile
Wikipedia states that Wakefield is an Old Etonian too. Eton does seem to be the go-to school for ultra-confident high-functioning sociopaths.
Monkeygrinder's Organ
Dodgy geezer swilling vapid lager
That's certainly their aim anyway.
LeytonCatLady
Well-Known Member
Sorry to hear about your bad experience with a vaccine. Of course none of us are talking about people who can't medically have the jab, that would be unfair! We're discussing the ones who actively have an anti-vax agenda and deliberately spread misinformation. Personally, one of the reasons I'm getting mine is because I know there are those like yourself who can't for medical reasons, and I want to do my bit in protecting you. I'm sure most people who have the jab are doing it for the same reason.
Serge Forward
Just enjoyin' my coffee.
Mass vaccination protects those who, for medical reasons, can't be vaccinated. Antivax fucks over the most vulnerable and those who can't be vaccinated. Ergo, antivaxers are nasty cunts who should be shown no mercy.
NoXion
Craicy the Squirrel
I saw one of those very same stickers at a bus stop when I was visiting my sister's last weekend. It had been partially defaced already, but I really wish I'd had something with me at the time to finish the job. So I settled for chucking two religious pamphlets into the bin that someone had wedged into the shelter.
ddraig
kicking against the pricks...
No house key?
LeytonCatLady
Well-Known Member
souljacker
innit
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