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Somebody should tell these clowns that vaccine particles have made the air above ground unsafe and they should retreat to bunkers until it's time for them to repopulate the world
The stupidity of the anti-vaxx nutcases
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Somebody should tell these clowns that vaccine particles have made the air above ground unsafe and they should retreat to bunkers until it's time for them to repopulate the world
krtek a houby
Merry Xmas!
Yeah, but morlocks
NoXion
Craicy the Squirrel
Aren't Morlocks supposed to be technologically advanced? Bit hard to construct an underground empire when good engineering might as well be a form of black magic.
for "anti-vax froth" ? Well of course it's "frotthy" !!!! - It's not as though I'm making an argument against vaccines in principle!!!
I don't mean this in a nasty way, but I honestly believe you just don't care about the nuances in my views concerning the vaccines.
I took the AZ then Pfizer vaccinations. One issue is that I wanted to just keep on taking the AZ vaccine rather than taking a mixture, but the NHS simply doesn't offer that choice.
There are now claims around the mRNA vaccines to do with a spike in non-Covid deaths.
It could turn out to be nothing, or it could be to do with the way that the vaccines are given to patients. I really do hope that people aren't suddenly dropping dead because of a vaccine, or even worse a number of vaccines.
If I had been given the choice all along to just take the AZ vaccination and continue how I'm going, I'd probably would have taken that as a booster, because I already had two of the things and there isn't anything I can find out there that is scary about it.
But if all there is on the table in future, is going to be the Modina vaccine, which is one I've never been taken before, then I might be proven wrong in taking a pass on it, but I'm sure as hell not "stupid".
Just because I don't want to expand what I call my "risk footprint" into different vaccines, that doesn't make me anti-vaccination.
I must have said at least 8 times something like "That's me - I'm not telling anyone else what to do."
And I got people telling me that I'm "stupid". It's fair to say I got a lot of abuse.
Yet you suspended me for a month, just because I made someone else look the complete fruitcake that they are for thinking that just because someone hasn't had a Covid vaccination, "there is a 50% chance they're anti-semetic".
I mean really? Is that what people generally think around here about someone who has decided not to take the vaccinations? That there's a fat chance they hate Jews? And it's the thinking that led that woman to that place as well, which I find absolutely draw dropping.
She seriously claimed that people who didn't take the vaccination are impacting her life because she's worried that there is a "50% chance they are anti-semetic."
You also realise that there is a great big whopping difference between a non-vaxxer and an anti-vaxxer?
I know one or two non-vaxxers in my extended family.
They didn't get vaccinated. And the ONLY reason why we knew they weren't vaccinated, was because they refused to say that they were when asked by my nagging evangelical pro-vaccination relatives.
No flurry of Facebook posts telling people about how "evil Bill Gates is" or anything about vaccinations at all.
Nothing from them telling the rest of us what to do.
My Mum phoned me up moaning and moaning about them not having the vaccination and in the end I just said to her: "You know what Mum? Why don't you just mind your own fucking business and leave the poor bastards alone to make their own choices about their own health?"
We know why she didn't. Because she believed that non-vaxxers were posing a serious health risk to the vaccinated. To me that didn't make logical sense and it doesn't now.
I have issues with BOTH some anti-vaxxers AND some evangelical pro-vaxxers. There is fuck loonery on both sides, that was my original over-arching argument and some of evangelical pro-vaxxers here want to drag me into all sorts of arguments about the actual vaccinations, like I'm trying to prove that people shouldn't take the fucking things. I'm not.
Whatever decision you made concerning your heath, whether you didn't take the vaccination, took one, two, three, four, five.
Whatever the ramificiations for you, it's your problem, your concern, not mine, but good luck never-the-less.
Monkeygrinder's Organ
Dodgy geezer swilling vapid lager
TLDR
BigMoaner
What A Load of Old Bollocks
Tldr
NoXion
Craicy the Squirrel
You've been repeatedly told that your assessment of the "risk footprint" is fucking whack as shit. You're much more likely to suffer complications (pneumonia, long covid etc) from an infectious disease which also damages you in the first place (and unlike the vaccine, can alter your DNA), than you are to suffer complications from taking a vaccine that is beneficial the vast majority of the time. Literally billions of doses have been administered and the rates of hospitalisation following vaccination are minuscule compared to rates of hospitalisation following covid infection. Your objections risk-wise make no goddamn sense.
That is why you're an anti-vaxx idiot. You sound just like all those twats who argued against seatbelts on the basis that they'd end up trapped in their vehicle. When the much more likely outcome is in fact the seatbelt prevents them from smashing their brains out as they get thrown through their car windscreen. Wearing of a seatbelt has been legally mandated in the UK and has resulted in fewer deaths on the road. Your bullshit brand of rugged individualism gets people killed and in the case of seatbelts, ended up being more or less legislated out of existence.
You have the choice to stamp your feet and say you don't wanna take your medicine like some overgrown toddler, but if you've got a problem with people judging you for making that decision, then an honest assessment of the risks should be sufficient to tell you where you're going wrong.
You're comparing taking the booster with not taking any booster, which to be fair is what I'm doing, but it's not what I want.
I wanted to continue taking the AZ vaccine. The NHS won't offer me that choice. So I'm not taking any more vaccinations.
I don't understand how that's a "brand that gets people killed".
As for "twats who argued against seatbelts", I'm not arguing against vaccinations in principle, so it's a very bad comparison.
You keep failing to understand that people should be free to make their own choices about their own health without undue pressure.
I really, really, really couldn't care whether someone has taken a vaccination or not, it's none of my business.
The only person I really asked, was someone who caught the virus and needed oxygen from an ambulance to get through it (There was no vaccination back then). He decided not to have any vaccinations. If I had been through that experience, I would have had the vaccinations at the first chance. I don't think he's stupid for not taking the vaccination and I don't think anyone is stupid for taking them.
To me there is no right or wrong answer, because we simply don't know what the future holds. The vaccinations could be safe, but then the future might prove that they're not.
My position is, for my own health, for my way of dealing with it all, I'd rather have one vaccination than three (EDIT for clarification, I would rather have one brand/type of vaccination rather than three).
If people want to have three, four or five because they beleive that is more effective in fighting the virus, then good for them. I'm not doing it.
NoXion
Craicy the Squirrel
What's wrong with the other vaccines? You have failed to demonstrate a compelling reason to risk infection without giving your immune system the tools that are available to better weather it.
But for some reason you would rather take a greater risk with the virus than take a particular brand of covid vaccine. Based on what? Nothing, as far as I can tell. Your objection is without reasonable basis.
They are safe, you fucking idiot. They rolled the mRNA vaccines over two fucking years ago now. Billions of doses have been administered and there's been no wave of people falling ill in a way that could only be explained by vaccination. How many more doses, how many more years until you're willing to accept it as safe? Do you even know the kind of vaccine engineering they had to pull off in order to get the mRNA to remain stable enough so that your body could read it and produce the required proteins to provoke an immune response? How the fuck is something that literally falls apart unless you keep it in deep freeze gonna do any long-term harm to a warm body? You have no fucking clue and are just appealing to ignorance, when all the people who actually know about this kind of shit are saying otherwise.
Based on no actual medical knowledge whatsoever.
What's wrong with taking the AZ vaccine for the third time rather than taking a new one? Why can't the NHS simply offer me that choice?
We find out new things all the time. On my second booster, I decided to have, but under newer NHS guidelines, I would not have had that booster at that time, because there was a greater risk of inflamation to people who had a recent Covid19 infection.
We always find out things down the line. So in that case having a vaccine at that time, was too risky, but not later ... as far as we can tell.
There are always unknowns and it's up to the individual to weigh up the risks.
If you think vaccines are great, then good for you. No one is calling you stupid or a twat.
But if you think as many people as possible should be taking up the vaccines, then surely you agree that they should be given more choices by the NHS?
Because if I was given the chance to taken just the AZ vaccines, then that's what I would do. That's better than taking no vaccines?
Anyway, I'm more interested in the social side of things.
My problem is that some over zealous pro-vaxxers are too interested in everyone elses vaccination status and making sure there are "consequences" for those who don't comply with their overbearing demands to get vaccinated the way they want them to get vaccinated.
I don't believe for one minute it's "Hi, My name is Johnathon (he/him), I'm vegan and I'm unvaxxed!!!!"
I believe at some point, zealous pro-vaxxers ask their potential victims if they have been vaccinated ... and if even if their intended victim says "I'd prefer not to say.", the acrimony starts.
BigMoaner
What A Load of Old Bollocks
stop dressing it up in oh so reasonable language - you would have a point if there had been no research done by major scientific institutions. But are you telling me you have literally out-thought and out ReSeArCheD insitutions such as Harvard, Cambridge, Imperial, the NHS? can you see how monumentally arrogant your position sounds?
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cupid_stunt
Chief seagull hater & farmerbarleymow's nemesis.
two sheds
Least noticed poster 2007
How likely do you think that is? Is it perhaps already happening all around us and it's being covered up?
That's one of the statements that turn you into a conspiracy theorist.
Plenty of pregnant women were no doubt given that line when they had reservations about thalidomide.
We always weigh up the risks and make our own decisions about our own health.
For example, I take 5-HTP. There is NO long term side effect studies for it. I could find out later down the line that it was harmful to me because I kept on taking it long term. But 5-HTP keeps me happy. Would I reccomend others take it? Hell no.
Anyway, do you understand how overbearing you are?
I just feel a lot safer sticking to one brand and type of vaccination. Why can't the NHS offer me the AZ vaccination as a booster?
bimble
floofy
hello again! go on then, tell me what dropped your jaw, explain it to me.
I've thought about this a lot, you know, conspiracism is a sort of specialist subject of mine, so if there's a giant error in my logic it would be great to have it pointed out thanks.
I haven't claimed it's being covered up. But we do have unexplained non-Covid deaths.
I've already taken the AZ vaccine. I've also taken the Pfizer one, but I'd rather that I just had only the AZ.
The non-Covid deaths could still be linked to the vaccines, BUT it could be down to the way the vaccines are administered.
This is why it's important to keep an open mind, because we could be administering the vaccines in the wrong way, rather than the actual vaccines being dangerous.
Here's an example scenario:
Non AZ vaccines turn out to be dangerous IF the person doing the vaccination, doesn't check that the needle has breached a blood vessel, which causes a chain effect on the patient, giving them a greater risk of a heart attack down the line.
If that above scenario turned out to the true, then the solution would be to check for a blood vessel, avoid blood vessel, inject into muscle tissue - vaccinations are safe, injecting into a blood vessel isn't, unless it's the AZ vaccine.
It's a plausable scenario in my view.
So am I an "idiot" for avoiding vaccines other than the AZ while we have non-Covid unexplained excess deaths?
You told me not to speak to you, yet here you are.
And I'm on here being told I'm an idiot for not getting my third booster and that it shouldn't bother me that the booster would be the third brand of vaccine.
My point is that there are some pretty unreasonable puritans at both ends of the spectrum on this one.
two sheds
Least noticed poster 2007
'Non AZ vaccines'? So all the billions of vaccine doses around the world that have been given? Or do you mean 'AZ vaccines'?
If so, could you explain the mechanism for how that would actually happen, and why it would be different with, say, the smallpox vaccine?
bimble
floofy
True. I forgot you managed to actually piss me off to that extent. But typing about ‘that woman’, it’s a bit rude.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
She said not to speak to her, not not to listen to her
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
To be fair it wouldn't take as much to out-think harvard as you'd expect
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You're completly missing my point and you know it.
There might be unknowns out there. Then again maybe not.
We all know the AZ vaccine works differently than the others. I've had two of the things, so I'd rather carry-on taking those than expose myself to potenial unknown risks.
I gave you a plausable scenario. I don't have to explain in detail how that could happen for it to be plausable.
My point is, no matter how daft you think my viewpoint is on this, I should be given the option to continue taking the AZ vaccines, avoiding the others if I so wish.
NoXion
Craicy the Squirrel
Based on what? Your complete lack of any professional experience in the relevant fields? You're inventing hypotheticals when you're completely unqualified to do so.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
You wouldn't know a plausible scenario if it whacked you round the face with a kipper while shouting 'I am a plausible scenario'
OK let's start with your hippy friend of a friend.
How did you know he was unvaxxed in the first place? Has he shown any interest what-so-ever in anyone else's vaccination status?
Did you ask him to explain what he means by "given a chance?"
You didn't need to post that. I already knew that's exactly what you think.,
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