Don't then!From the look of it, you're not here to make your own arguments for yourself, either
The stupidity of the anti-vaxx nutcases
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Better start reasoning with people then.
Supine
Newt Member
Not right for who?
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
We've seen plenty of people like you before. People who insist that they're not on one side or the other, and use that as the excuse to not back up their claims, while all the time tilting the argument in favour of their preferred view - which is pretty well exclusively an anti one, whatever disclaimers they might mouth along the way.
You're not fooling anyone except, possibly, yourself.
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
I'm not sure you'd even know what that looked like.
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
Explain to me what you think decentralised healthcare looks like?
elbows
Well-Known Member
Even in a 'perfect society' where overt coercion had been eliminated, milder relatives of those same forces would still be a part of what made that society a society in the first place. Whether dressed up as actions necessary for 'the greater good' or any other variety of such thoughts, its a real thing, it matters, its part of life as a social creature, and the ridiculous attitudes of the likes of Ayn Rand were incompatible with how human life actually works.
Given the burden this virus imposed and how far they had to go with non-pharmaceutical measures in the pre-vaccine era to keep the numbers within limits the system could even begin to cope with, the impetus to get as many people vaccinated as possible was hardly a surprise. Nor were the methods used unsurprising or at odds with how the world is currently ordered.
These days people have a sense that we have gone beyond the acute phase of the pandemic. And so some of the people who were happy enough at the time to go along with that momentum now have the luxury of looking back and quibbling about some of that stuff, of 'having regrets' etc. That such luxuries are available is a sign of the success of the original approach, of how far we've come. But a lot of those conclusions that could be reached now are bogus, are only possible to come up with now by divorcing the details of what people were compelled to do with the high stakes that were in effect at the time.
Given the burden this virus imposed and how far they had to go with non-pharmaceutical measures in the pre-vaccine era to keep the numbers within limits the system could even begin to cope with, the impetus to get as many people vaccinated as possible was hardly a surprise. Nor were the methods used unsurprising or at odds with how the world is currently ordered.
These days people have a sense that we have gone beyond the acute phase of the pandemic. And so some of the people who were happy enough at the time to go along with that momentum now have the luxury of looking back and quibbling about some of that stuff, of 'having regrets' etc. That such luxuries are available is a sign of the success of the original approach, of how far we've come. But a lot of those conclusions that could be reached now are bogus, are only possible to come up with now by divorcing the details of what people were compelled to do with the high stakes that were in effect at the time.
BigMoaner
What A Load of Old Bollocks
he is - by his own thoughts.
BigMoaner
What A Load of Old Bollocks
BigMoaner
What A Load of Old Bollocks
imagine me going to astrophysicist and saying "give me a few years mate on google.youtube and facebook and i will be up to speed". it's what pretty much these dumbasses are saying. Sure there;s nothign wrong with deep diving, but when it's coupled without single shred of humility its disturbing.
DaveCinzano
WATCH OUT, GEORGE, HE'S GOT A SCREWDRIVER!
BigMoaner
What A Load of Old Bollocks
It's whatever Bro Rogan says it is, dude.
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
I think we should make two words. We could repurpose the version pronounced "RE-search" to mean "I watched a few 2 hour Youtube videos and went to a load of sketchy websites", and the one pronounced "re-SEARCH" to mean "I looked up some peer-reviewed publications, cross-checked some ideas from other peer-reviewed publications, and checked the authenticity and credentials of the sources cited".
We could even spell the Youtube variety differently, maybe "reeserch"?
SpineyNorman
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I can absolutely guarantee that our resident antivax crypto cultist won't reply to a single one of elbows' posts.
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
Well, I guess that's a tiny indication of some measure of humility...
SpineyNorman
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Outing yourself as a Peterson cultist now then?
No I am not.
Insert David Brent you're hard gif here
NoXion
Craicy the Squirrel
It's always the same with these intellectual cowards. They dribble forth a bunch of wibble that doesn't actually mean anything, then claim they're being misrepresented when someone else tries to make sense of their mess.
BigMoaner
What A Load of Old Bollocks
the process of becoming a true expert is beyond these guys comprehension. for my degree we spent about 3 months on just how to research the topic we were given before the research even began. and that was on just one topic of a very broad degree subject.
SpineyNorman
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Peterson is being silenced now. The Canadian board of psychology or whatever they're called has threatened to strike him off if he doesn't attend social media training. And all he ever did was tell people to kill themselves and call doctors who provide gender affirming care criminals.
Peterson just makes me uncomfortable these days, I think he has untreated bipolar or possibly even schizophrenia (a psychiatrist he visited claimed this but he rejected it because he's a great thinker and can self diagnose or something) and I think the induced coma in Russia and cold turkey benzo withdrawals have given him brain damage. But the marks keep on throwing money and adulation at him so the grift goes on...
Peterson just makes me uncomfortable these days, I think he has untreated bipolar or possibly even schizophrenia (a psychiatrist he visited claimed this but he rejected it because he's a great thinker and can self diagnose or something) and I think the induced coma in Russia and cold turkey benzo withdrawals have given him brain damage. But the marks keep on throwing money and adulation at him so the grift goes on...
BigMoaner
What A Load of Old Bollocks
The fan boys think he is "the greatest intellectual of our times" which is hillarious. and a sign of our times. a dumb person's idea of a smart person
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
I think there's a fair bit of that among those types, I saw a Russell Brand video the other day and he came across as a bit unhinged tbh. It's the same as some of the 'followers' of these types, there's a good amount of vulnerable people drawn into it all. It's all quite sad, and a bit of me feels like that with this person here now, he's like someone completely unaware of how they come across to most other people, and probably with some narcissistic personality disorder traits.
(After seeing that RB video it's pretty horrifying what then gets shown to you by YouTube as suggested viewing. Just been shown a video about how everyone is going to get letters from their government about making their house carbon neutral and if they don't it'll be taken from them, all part of the NWO Great Reset etc etc. Millions of views ffs. I find this stuff really quite scary politically.)
SpineyNorman
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I watched a series by an experimental psychologist (Cass something her name was - she's really good) on Peterson's books and ever since I keep getting deranged far right shit in my YouTube - Joe Rogan interviews Ben Shapiro type shit but also much worse stuff like Andrew Tate, Holocaust denial, race realism etc. Fuck knows how I get it back to normal again. And if that's what you get just from looking at a critique by a fucking scientist imagine how bad it gets if you start to get sucked in. Genuinely fucking terrified and I do get a feeling of there but for the grace of God go I - I was once a kid looking for answers and I found communist uncles and eventually the swp (however bad they were, it's fucking better than this) I reckon if I'd been born 20 years later I could easily have ended up in that swamp.
NoXion
Craicy the Squirrel
There seems to be an awful lot of those about these days...
elbows
Well-Known Member
If you hover over the videos it recommends then three dots to the right of the videos title give a menu which includes options like 'not interested' and 'dont recommend channel'. Maybe if you keep pressing those the algorithm will eventually get a grip on your actual interests.
BigMoaner
What A Load of Old Bollocks
Measured, boring analysis, often at the very heart of a subject or any sort of truth, whether your perspective is coming from the right or left, doesn't cut it on youtube. Anyone grifting knows that they have to keep things "interesting" so that normally involves pissing off the other side as much as possible whilst providing as much emotional validation to their followerers as possible. Who the hell wants to make a youtube video 4 hours long when just as much money - and it can be an incredible amount of money - can be made from a video that is 10 minutes long?
SpineyNorman
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Fortunately Cass Eris does (that's her name - remembered it now!) but yeah completely agree. If you look at the nominally left wing ones theyre up to the same shit (albeit less damaging or lucrative) - people like Hasan Piker, Vausch, majority report. Most of their content is 'look at the deranged shit the far right is talking about on the web lol' - mirror image of the look at the woke snowflakes shit the right does.
So as well as patronising people to death, you're a firm believer in being tedious as well.
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