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I was waiting for Rolf to be announced. If anyone knows of any others that are coming I wouldn't object to a PM.
 
i just came across this blog post - oddly enough, the exact same anecdote was relayed to me by an ex girlfriend about 10 years ago (in her tale the burglar attempted to blackmail rolf, but had some heavies call round and threaten to kill him). the same ex was also approached by savile when she was a kid in cleethorpes - i'd kind of assumed both tales were flights of fancy (she was given to outlandish tales, not all of which were true), but i guess maybe i should give her a shout and see if she has any other tips...
 
Reno said:
At least one of the women was in a senior position and there was no way her company would have fired her. It was talked about, but there was a general agreement not to rock the boat.
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That's how we get to senior positions. By not making a fuss. Second nature. Why do you think so few assaults are reported? Because they all happen to little girls who don't know what to do?
 
ymu said:
That's how we get to senior positions. By not making a fuss. Second nature. Why do you think so few assaults are reported? Because they all happen to little girls who don't know what to do?
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Sure, no great surprise. However the female staff there weren't people who usually deal with Harris, who was only there for one day.
 
Oh, that's OK then. Because we only ever get it once in a lifetime. First gropey hands and we go "thank fuck, that's my sexual harrassment incident over with, and it wasn't rape! Yay!"
 
ymu said:
Oh, that's OK then. Because we only ever get it once in a lifetime. First gropey hands and we go "thank fuck, that's my sexual harrassment incident over with, and it wasn't rape! Yay!"
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Where did I say that it's OK. Surely I can't be held responsible for their decisions ?

I was just stating that you are not telling me anything that's any great surprise to me. I've put up with a lot of homophobia to not loose jobs and to get on in my career, which wasn't that much fun either.
 
Reno said:
Where did I say that it's OK. Surely I can't be held responsible for their decisions ?

I was just stating that you are not telling me anything that's any great surprise to me. I've put up with a lot of homophobia to not loose jobs and to get on in my career, which wasn't that much fun either.
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I'm not holding you responsible for their decisions. I'm pointing out that your response to mine was a complete non-sequitur.

Harris only being there for one day does not make an ounce of difference to the compromises she is likely to have made to get to a senior position.

Thankfully, I am not management material. :cool:

I was harrassed by a co-worker in a very seedy way. IT worked out who it was at the same time I did, by different methods. The two most senior male bosses were brilliant and said they would do exactly what I wanted them to do about it. And I said put it on file so the next person has back-up.

I think I was wrong. I don't know if it would have made a difference if it had been two female bosses, but it wasn't exactly a comfortable conversation to have with two older men, however sympathetic and lovely. One of them was my human shield in external meetings when some '70s throwback would suggest I pour the coffee. He'd look at me in genuine pain, roll his eyes at them and jump up to pour it himself. And then pretend not to know the answers to questions so they had to ask me.:D

He was a proper feminist. But should he have called a woman in to deal with it? Maybe. I dunno. It didn't occur to me until years later that maybe they should have.
 
ymu said:
I'm not holding you responsible for their decisions. I'm pointing out that your response to mine was a complete non-sequitur.

Harris only being there for one day does not make an ounce of difference to the compromises she is likely to have made to get to a senior position.
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What was a non-sequitur to you, was me pointing out that this was not a day to day story of office sexual harassment. At that company this was a rather unusual situation for everybody involved apart from Rolf Harris. And it is not likely that she had to make "compromises" to get were she was, the company was not your usual corporate environment.
 
You cannot know what women experience Reno. If you could, you could not have written that.

80,000 rapes a year in the UK. 400,000 sexual assaults in total. Every year. But it can't be anyone you know?

I am not going to risk trashing the one thread that should make it easier to understand this, so I will leave it now.
 
ymu said:
You cannot know what women experience Reno. If you could, you could not have written that.

And I am not going to risk trashing the one thread that should make it easier to understand this, so I will leave it now.
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I'm not talking about "women", I was talking about a particular woman in a particular situation. And I knew enough about her, her career and the company to know that it is very unlikely for her to have experienced sexual harassment at that company where she worked her way up from runner to producer.

This is not a thread about sexual harassment at the working place, but one about about an ongoing case of celebrity sex offenders. Offences were committed by the visiting celebrity, but there wasn't an ongoing problem with sexual harassment at the company. And that I do know, because unlike you, I was there and I knew these people.
 
Jebus. Multiply those numbers by 70 years at risk, compare those numbers to the number of adult women in the country, and then work out our average lifetime risk of rape and sexual assault respectively.

And then wonder why you are offending me by focusing on one woman in her workplace and what you assume she experienced in life (in and out of work).

i don't know why i was still subscribed. It won;t happen again.
 
The Tweenies knew.

Anyone familiar with the Tweenies? Max impersonated Savile in one episode. And... here's the thing... in another he impersonated Rolf!

I think they were trying to tell us. All we need to do is check all the episodes for who Max impersonated.
 
ymu said:
Jebus. Multiply those numbers by 70 years at risk, compare those numbers to the number of adult women in the country, and then work out our average lifetime risk of rape and sexual assault respectively.

And then wonder why you are offending me by focusing on one woman in her workplace and what you assume she experienced in life (in and out of work).

i don't know why i was still subscribed. It won;t happen again.
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I used to like your posts, but lately they've been bordering on the delusional and paranoid to be honest. You are the one who is "assuming", I knew her quite well.
 
Espresso said:
William Roache says we should all be totally forgiving about everything and not judgemental? Blimey, he wasn't so forgiving when he sued The Sun for libel when they said he was boring.
Daft bastard.
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Well since he has now been nicked over allegations of historic sex crime(s), his comments about pure love and not being judgemental now gain an extra layer of horror.

I'll wait till the media have a little more time to grasp the details of this story before posting a link, especially as I dont want to link to the Daily Mail again.
 
elbows said:
Well since he has now been nicked over allegations of historic sex crime(s), his comments about pure love and not being judgemental now gain an extra layer of horror.

I'll wait till the media have a little more time to grasp the details of this story before posting a link, especially as I dont want to link to the Daily Mail again.
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They went a bit further than that, he explicitly said victims bring things on themselves.
 
'Much loved actor' - not a phrase I imagine we'll see attached to this story. Never trust a Tory Druid.
 
Whitewash from WYP...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2013/may/10/jimmy-savile-police-report

In a 59-page report published on Friday, the force revealed that eight of its officers attended Savile's notorious "Friday Morning Club" to socialise with the former DJ at his home in Leeds, including four who attended regularly over a number of years.
The inquiry, dubbed Operation Newgreen, found no evidence he was shielded from arrest...
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Hmmm... "found no evidence", eh? Wonder where it all went?:hmm:
 
brogdale said:
...Hmmm... "found no evidence", eh? Wonder where it all went?:hmm:
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while i wouldn't rule it out - and accept entirely that WYP in the 60's/70's/80's/90's weren't exactly paragons of virtue - isn't it just as likely that the lack of direct evidence is caused by the same things that cause the 'lack of evidence' in every other organistion this has happened to: that in the 60's/70's/80's society was not, by and large, bothered by older men having sex with older children and tended to dismiss complaints without even looking at them long enough to invoke the 'old boys network', and that the relationship between the alleged abuser and the organisation you'd complain to seemed sufficiently close to make it not worth the effort to make a complaint?

if you were 13 yo girl in Leeds who Saville had 'touched up' or worse, and you saw him on the local news playing golf with the CC and doing a crime awareness campaign with most of Roundhay Police Station, and he'd told you (as some have reported him doing) that he was best mates with the police, and you'd be arrested for making it up, would you bother making a complaint in the first place?

Saville was not a celebrity who raped children on the side, he was a rapist who became a celebrity precisely to cultivate the kind of relationships with the media, police, civic society and politicians that would give him the cover and access that he needed to carry on being a rapist. he groomed the police because he needed a public persona that said he was a 'good bloke' who was 'in' with the Police, in the same way he groomed the NHS to get access to children, and the same way he groomed the media to spike anything that suggested he was a wrong 'un.

all of those bodies have questions to answer, but Saville deliberately set out to penetrate and use those organisations for his own ends and against themselves - he would have been a fucking excellent spy.
 
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