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No dont get me wrong, I'm not saying he's innocent or anything but fucking hell. I didn't expect him to be on the List!
 
Idris2002 said:
Things that make you go "hmmmm". . .
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Although blogs like that one can be rather useful due to the details they are able to pick up on as a result of their prolonged focus on the issue of child sex abuse by the powerful, it is hard to read too much into those sorts of comments. They can, to say the least, be fond of hyperbole and of repeatedly suggesting that something earth-shattering is about to emerge. Sometimes they might be on the money, sometimes they are joining dots spuriously or have other agendas. There are also occasional tendencies towards making out that they have access to special information that the rest of us are not privy too yet, even if they are actually just referring to the same information or rumours that are to be found elsewhere on the net. This is not helped by something of a roller coaster ride in terms of their expectations of what will come out as opposed to what will be covered up, and sometimes they want to have their cake and eat it on this front.

It is not easy to talk about all of this properly on u75 due to the delicate legal situation that prevails until stuff actually comes out in the mainstream. A large gap remains between what certain blogs and people on twitter have been saying for months, and what we can discuss. Much is presented as certainty which should not be.

All of this leaves me with a very broad spectrum of expectations as to what will happen in the months ahead. There may be a huge political scandal, only moderated by the length of time that has passed, or we may just get one or two people exposes and brought to justice, or even none at all. Even if there is no coverup whatsoever this time, the coverups from the past have at the very least diminished the quality of evidence.
 
Roger that elbows . Anyway, I suspect that a "bigger than Watergate" scandal would trigger the Lord Tom Denning reaction, and would be quietly swept under the carpet marked "appalling vista". . .
 
SaskiaJayne said:
Its odd that if you search this latest arrest on Google there are several results even naming names but search the BBC website & there is nothing I can find. :hmm:
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Last time I checked they had reported the arrest but not who it was.

It is not entirely clear why some names come straight out and others dont get mentioned. Last time we thought it was because he had been questioned but not arrested, this time I dont yet have an explanation. Since these scandals began some people have favoured jumping straight to 'oh its super-injunctions or d-notes' censorship stuff but in most cases this has not been the reason at all. There are all manner of sensible reasons why names dont come out when there hasnt been an arrest, and there is just something that might be evidence thats come out on the internet, that people have assumed to be solid proof despite the reality being a good deal more complex, especially legally.

I doubt the mainstream press avoiding mentioning this name is sustainable this time around, but I could be wrong.
 
treelover said:
Re: the '82 yr old' sad really, why can't these people control their urges?, but the full force of the law must now be used...
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What urges? Do you know what he is accused of and when? The full force of the law should be indeed be used, if the person is guilty.
 
For those that didnt pick up on the story last year...

If its the same person this time as was questioned last year, they were subsequently reported to have been suicidal as a result of the accusations, with some tabloids reporting they had a stay at the priory to help with their depression.
 
Guido tends to assume that he is immune from certain UK laws.

But if he is right and there is no legal reason not to report it, then it certainly provides an opportunity to look at the issue of why the press sometimes hold back on stuff.
 
Minnie_the_Minx said:
But plenty of paedophiles are likeable. How do you think they gain the child's trust in the first place :(

Not to mention people in a position of trust
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Its odd how many cannot come to terms with this rather obvious fact. People want to think that all paedos are horrible, fat, smelly & terminally creepy. To succeed & get away with his crimes a paedo has to be anything but this.
 
frogwoman said:
I really hope it's not true, I like rolf. Is there more than one person alleging this stuff? :(
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from Guido's blog in January.....
We scooped the press on the arrests of Max Clifford and Jim Davidson. Today we can report that Rolf Harris has also been questioned under caution by police from Operation Yewtree. This has been an open secret in media circles for weeks, journalists and newspaper editors alike have known about the story – yet none has published the news. Why?
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frogwoman said:
I really hope it's not true, I like rolf. Is there more than one person alleging this stuff? :(
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Well I'm sure you know the sensible score: presumed innocent unless found guilty. But dont insinuate victims are liars or not credible either.

Meanwhile in the real, messy world its a case of no smoke without fire, and the more smoke the easier people will jump to conclusions. Especially if the person is hated and someone we 'want to be guilty'. The court of public opinion may sometimes do a better job than the real courts but is also a sloppy beast.

There are some tentative signs that some of the people arrested post-Savile are not going to end up in court. De'Ath has already been told he wont be charged, and there are rumours that the same will happen with Freddie Starr. Some are already polishing their narratives about how the police have gone on a witch-hunt, overcompensating for their deep inadequacies regarding investigations into Savile. Even if there is some truth to this I dont like it because its unfair to victims and can be used to attempt to preserve the old pre-Savile state of affairs.
 
elbows said:
it certainly provides an opportunity to look at the issue of why the press sometimes hold back on stuff.
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Are they going to claim that it's Evil Leveson making them hold back?

I think they are. Unless, of course, "legal reasons" after all has its usual meaning, that there's some kind of court order.
 
Potential reasons why the press might not name him:

They like him.
They arent 100% sure its him who was arrested, 'its just rumours'.
They are afraid he might kill himself and they will be blamed (doesnt often stop them when it comes to 'normal' people!)
They know some other details that we dont that makes them hold back.
They are cowards waiting for someone else to make the first move and then they will all join in.
Existing legal reasons why they cant.
Fear of potential legal action later.
They dont think their readers want to hear it.
He has friends who have influence over them.

Any others?
 
laptop said:
Are they going to claim that it's Evil Leveson making them hold back?
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I doubt it since they named so many others, and the Leveson issues arent a great fit for the reporting of people who have been arrested.

And its not like the police named everyone else they arrested, the press added that detail on top of the rather dry official police statements.
 
laptop said:
Are they going to claim that it's Evil Leveson making them hold back?

I think they are. Unless, of course, "legal reasons" after all has its usual meaning, that there's some kind of court order.
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That's the impression I'm getting, because apparently there's no super-injunction
 
elbows said:
Potential reasons why the press might not name him:

They like him.
They arent 100% sure its him who was arrested, 'its just rumours'.
They are afraid he might kill himself and they will be blamed (doesnt often stop them when it comes to 'normal' people!)
They know some other details that we dont that makes them hold back.
They are cowards waiting for someone else to make the first move and then they will all join in.
Existing legal reasons why they cant.
Fear of potential legal action later.
They dont think their readers want to hear it.
He has friends who have influence over them.

Any others?
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Or maybe he's in ill health?
 
Aw no he signed my sponsored swim certificate when I was a kid - he was so patient with hordes of kids that day.:(
 
clicker said:
Aw no he signed my sponsored swim certificate when I was a kid - he was so patient with hordes of kids that day.:(
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I've only heard of his rumours being related to adults and the inappropriate placement of hands, nothing to do with kids.
 
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