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The Rational Proof of God's Existence

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Crispy said:
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Which theory?

The theory which paints our bodies as a biological computer being operated by a central processor which works at translating wave forms into differing sorts of input which combine to build a holographic reality we experience as matter.

The point is that this bio-computer is being operated by a very sleepy conciousness.


OI! don`t lump me with phil simply because we both have the guts to stand up for what we know is right. Phil does it by being pompous and sarcastic, I like to think i have more style than that! :D
 
Azrael23 said:
It amazes me how lump-all people still are.

I have flown, so have millions of other people. In that people fly in their dreams all the time, they astral project and experience flying....is that any less real than the collective dream we share whilst "awake"?
If we were truly experiencing a collective dream while awake, the world would doubtless be a much safer, more peaceful place. I for one would love to believe in telepathy or group consciousness - unfortunately until there is some evidence (either reported or my direct experience) that it exists, I'm afraid it will have to remain in my imagination, along with the flying.
 
There is evidence of a group conciousness. You look at the brainwaves of people in a crowd.

Whether it be a riot, a festival, a nightclub. As soon as people enter a group environment brain waves slowly start to synchronise until the entire crowds brainwaves are the same pattern, scientists believe this is what stimulates the feeling of an "atmosphere" at festivals etc.
 
Azrael23 said:
OI! don`t lump me with phil simply because we both have the guts to stand up for what we know is right. Phil does it by being pompous and sarcastic, I like to think i have more style than that! :D

I have to hand it to you. Re-introducing yourself to the conversation by calling everybody 'pathetic' for having the conversation and not rising to your level of consciousness does have style, in a certain sort of way. Although, I don't really see the clear cut distinction with Phil's modus bullshitandi. Must believe harder.

* closes eyes, grits teeth, repeats to self "Azrael is not talking arrogant shite" *
 
I called two people pathetic for descending into playground name calling over an issue that no one could give a rats ass about anyway. Thats not style, i think thats called being honest :D

I understand its hard to relate to a view that encourages no limitations when you live in a society that is constantly dictating to you what you are and aren`t capable of but don`t be a casualty of cognitive dissonance. :cool:
 
Azrael23 said:
You people are all pathetic.

Listen to you arguing over inane tripe, each trying to justify their own preconceptions of the other. You do realise your in the same boat, your on the same planet and deep down probably have the same big questions.
I understand that it's difficult to live in a world where whatever you believe is reality when other people just won't play ball and quote your words when you make shit up.

Is it a problem with my consciousness that I realise that your a malicious arrogant prick who has even less than phil dwyer to be arrogant about?
 
Arrogant? yes its so arrogant to tell someone something, jeez I suppose it would be arrogant of me to save someone from drowning afterall who am I to pre-suppose their wishes :rolleyes:
Ahhh go away your just trying to antagonise.
What you need to understand is that all your demonstrating is your own innate fears, if you were truly happy in yourself you wouldn`t need to carry this aura of conflict around with you. So whilst you can wax lyrical all you like about my "delusion" and "arrogance" I think you should be thinking about your own motives.
Its a shame because online you can be whoever you want, the fact that out of your own free will you choose to be a repulsive ignorant specimen of a human being makes me feel a kind of pity for you tbh. :)
 
Azrael23 said:
Arrogant? yes its so arrogant to tell someone something, jeez I suppose it would be arrogant of me to save someone from drowning afterall who am I to pre-suppose their wishes :rolleyes:
Ahhh go away your just trying to antagonise.
What you need to understand is that all your demonstrating is your own innate fears, if you were truly happy in yourself you wouldn`t need to carry this aura of conflict around with you. So whilst you can wax lyrical all you like about my "delusion" and "arrogance" I think you should be thinking about your own motives.
Its a shame because online you can be whoever you want, the fact that out of your own free will you choose to be a repulsive ignorant specimen of a human being makes me feel a kind of pity for you tbh. :)
Yay! It's Phil mk2.

Do carry on...
 
Azrael23 said:
Whether it be a riot, a festival, a nightclub. As soon as people enter a group environment brain waves slowly start to synchronise...

And you know this how?

Show me a photo of a riot with everyone hooked up to an EEG machine :D
 
laptop said:
And you know this how?

Show me a photo of a riot with everyone hooked up to an EEG machine :D

The study didn`t need to hook up everyone, just a select few at different points in the crowd. ;)

So do you guys meet up and discuss anti-phil tactics? Am I being drawn into some centuries old blood feud? :rolleyes:
 
Azrael23 said:
The study didn`t need to hook up everyone, just a select few at different points in the crowd. ;)
Do you have any erm, evidence for the existance of said study? Or am I just not believing hard enough.

Azrael23 said:
So do you guys meet up and discuss anti-phil tactics? Am I being drawn into some centuries old blood feud? :rolleyes:
Duh. Our brainwaves are synchronised, obviously :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
 
Do your own research spoon-feeder. That way if you find there was no such study, you look even better right? ;)

hahaha, your probably the kind of guy that used to mock people who thought earth was a sphere. :p
 
Azrael23 said:
Do your own research spoon-feeder. That way if you find there was no such study, you look even better right? ;)
Okay, that's obviously fair. At this stage, I might as well mention the 400 studies that I have read which prove that you are a CIA disinformation agent and a fully paid up member of the illuminati, the Bilderbergs and 'them'. I could also mention the studies which revealed you to be an anti-semite and an all round asshole. We can consider these studies to be proven until you can prove that there were no such studies.

Azrael23 said:
hahaha, your probably the kind of guy that used to mock people who thought earth was a sphere. :p
Of course. Only last week I beat a 'spherical earther' up for his heresies.
 
Azrael23 said:
So do you guys meet up and discuss anti-phil tactics?

Of course they do. "Right, whose turn is it to be Bad Cop today...?" They *live* for this, the bastards. Anyway, I'm just checking in to request that you all calm down, stop your puerile squabbling, and do not stray too far from the matter under investigation. I shall be back again tomorrow to answer the serious points that have been made, please don't cause too much trouble among yourselves in the meantime.
 
Azrael23 said:
There is evidence of a group conciousness. You look at the brainwaves of people in a crowd.

Whether it be a riot, a festival, a nightclub. As soon as people enter a group environment brain waves slowly start to synchronise until the entire crowds brainwaves are the same pattern, scientists believe this is what stimulates the feeling of an "atmosphere" at festivals etc.

Hello Azrael23, how's the neuroscience course going? Any news of when you'll be doing the retakes yet? :D
 
phildwyer said:
Labour-power is alienated when it is represented in financial form, no matter what other conditions pertain.
In that case, could alienated labour-power not be reduced to labour power and the apparatus of the state necessary for it to be represented as fv.


phildwyer said:
Alienated labour-power *is* abstract. Labour is "real work by real people," but alienated labour-power is this real work in a condition of abstraction.
phildwyer said:
When you work for a wage you are exchanging your time for a representation of that time in financial form.
phildwyer said:
Yes it is, but financial value is an abstract *representation* of human labour and as such it is not material.
So fv is a abstract, alienated, representation of, human labour power? If you were able to explain 1. what these terms mean 2. why fv must be viewed as these, and 3. why this means fv is non-physical? I am totally unable to answer these questions coherently.
 
phildwyer said:
Of course they do. "Right, whose turn is it to be Bad Cop today...?" They *live* for this, the bastards. Anyway, I'm just checking in to request that you all calm down, stop your puerile squabbling, and do not stray too far from the matter under investigation. I shall be back again tomorrow to answer the serious points that have been made, please don't cause too much trouble among yourselves in the meantime.
Quick, let's hide this thread in Knobbing and Sobbing while he's not looking! :D
 
Azrael23 said:
The study didn`t need to hook up everyone, just a select few at different points in the crowd. ;)
Seriously, how the fuck does one manage to do something like that without interfering with the crowd?
 
In Bloom said:
Seriously, how the fuck does one manage to do something like that without interfering with the crowd?
Easy - everything is interconnected, so you just hook your sensors up to a small piece of fairy cake....
 
Value is not a spirit, it's a product of our minds. Like god. I think 52 pages provides ample opportunity to prove otherwise.
 
Presumabley your arguing that spirit is some kind of irreducible substance (making you a pluralist of all things), and you haven't provided any argument for not being able to explain fv by underlying physical processes, other than fv is a representation; you don't seem to have any argument either for this being the case, or why this would mean it is made of a different substance. Are you saying that fv is such a clear antithesis of labor power that we are to assume that its very substance is altered in its alienation.
 
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