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The Rational Proof of God's Existence

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OK, lookit. We'll do this quickly this time.

The most basic act of barter imaginable: a man swaps a sheep for a goat.

In order to conduct this transaction, the value of the sheep must be perceptible (conceptually not empirically) in the physical body of the goat.

When the parties look at the goat, they must perceive not only the physical body of the goat, but also the value of the sheep.

Is everyone with me so far?

I have too many goats sustained on the land I own and their population is increasing dramatically, I do not want your goat as it would cost me more in maintaining extra goats until they can be sold or eaten. The only way I will take your goat is if you pay me to compensate for the cost of owning it. Does this mean their is negative value of the goat also conceptually perceptible in the physical body of the sheep? I still want to sell you my sheep but goats are negative currency in this exchange.
 
Any two lines are comparable to each other, but they aren't commensurable. However they are comparable in terms of their properties (i.e. their length). Is it true to say that in order to compare a line with another line one must perceive the physical nature of one line in the other? I think it's pretty hard to see how abstract entities are compared by the perception of the physical nature of one in the other.
 
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what about if the goat's swapped and then leased back?

Finance lease or operational?

Can I securitise the goat, using the sheep as initial collaterol on it, and then re-securitise half the goats value (lets say 3 chickens), which can then be used to purchase some magic beans, and I'll pay you all back with a goose that lays golden eggs when the magic beans grow and I can raid the giant castle in the sky?
 
OK, lookit. We'll do this quickly this time.

The most basic act of barter imaginable: a man swaps a sheep for a goat.

In order to conduct this transaction, the value of the sheep must be perceptible (conceptually not empirically) in the physical body of the goat.

When the parties look at the goat, they must perceive not only the physical body of the goat, but also the value of the sheep.

Is everyone with me so far?

So, yes, both parties can look at the same thing and see a different value. If bhamgeezer's situation occurred then that value would be negative, ie you would need to pay to get rid of the item. So most people would have differing views as to the value of the animal.
 
OK, lookit. We'll do this quickly this time.

The most basic act of barter imaginable: a man swaps a sheep for a goat.

In order to conduct this transaction, the value of the sheep must be perceptible (conceptually not empirically) in the physical body of the goat.

When the parties look at the goat, they must perceive not only the physical body of the goat, but also the value of the sheep.

Is everyone with me so far?
it's strange how you say "we'll do it quickly this time" and then spend your next 180 posts on other threads.
 
I think he's admitted defeat.

Have I bollocks.

Like a 5-day test match, the art and beauty of this thread lies in its longevity.

I fully expect it to take several years for my proof to unfold fully. I shall return here from time to time to add a pinch of evidence here, a sprinkle of logic there, until the butterfly finally emerges from the chrysalis. And then some people are going to look very silly indeed.
 
Have I bollocks.

Like a 5-day test match, the art and beauty of this thread lies in its longevity.

I fully expect it to take several years for my proof to unfold fully. I shall return here from time to time to add a pinch of evidence here, a sprinkle of logic there, until the butterfly finally emerges from the chrysalis. And then some people are going to look very silly indeed.

Cockbobbins.

Answer that!
 
Have I bollocks.

Like a 5-day test match, the art and beauty of this thread lies in its longevity.

I fully expect it to take several years for my proof to unfold fully. I shall return here from time to time to add a pinch of evidence here, a sprinkle of logic there, until the butterfly finally emerges from the chrysalis. And then some people are going to look very silly indeed.

Ah quantity not quality

I'm surprised this bollocks is still alive (if only feebly kicking) :facepalm:
 
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