kyser_soze
Hawking's Angry Eyebrow
Random said:if philosophy is mental masturbation, then is this thread a daisy chain?
Round of soggy biscuit more like...
ta' ghobe' yImev DajatlhlaH rur vetlh
the purpose of life
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Round of soggy biscuit more like...
ta' ghobe' yImev DajatlhlaH rur vetlh
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
And yeah supposedly everyone in the world is born Muslim until their parents bring them up to be whatever religion they want them to be, that's why people converting to islam are called "reverts" because they think they weren't ever converts because they were always muslim in the first place, iyswim
I think they're just trying to say that your parents and upbringing make you who you are and the "default" is that you'll be muslim, but you could theoretically go either way ...
there's a similar idea in some mystical sects of judaism but it isn't as widely accepted.
Not sure about the animals thing, never heard that before. Does that mean that animals like pigs and dogs are muslim as well
I think they're just trying to say that your parents and upbringing make you who you are and the "default" is that you'll be muslim, but you could theoretically go either way ...
there's a similar idea in some mystical sects of judaism but it isn't as widely accepted.
Not sure about the animals thing, never heard that before. Does that mean that animals like pigs and dogs are muslim as well
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
I should add that I have encountered many muslims in real life with the same attitudes to homosexuality and to women as this guy seems to have.
I had two girls in my sociology class who were and during a lesson on domestic violence one of them turned around and said that it wasn't anyone's business what happened in the privacy of their own home and if they were being beaten then nobody else should get involved. She also came out with some awful racist (towards white people) and anti-semitic shite.
Pretending its not there won't make it go away and it seems to me that some people on this thread desperately want to believe this guy isn't real, well i'm sorry, but he probably is, because i've known people like that and they sadly don't just exist in the imaginations of the BNP and Israeli settlers and those sort of people.
I've sadly had experience with people who seem to think that being muslim makes them above everyone else and who have some fucking medieval attitudes about women and sex. you can't say the people believing this stuff aren't genuine muslims because in many cases they genuinely believe it is right, and part of the religion, although it's nowhere near being a universal attitude even among the practicing ones like the daily mail etc would have you believe
I had two girls in my sociology class who were and during a lesson on domestic violence one of them turned around and said that it wasn't anyone's business what happened in the privacy of their own home and if they were being beaten then nobody else should get involved. She also came out with some awful racist (towards white people) and anti-semitic shite.
Pretending its not there won't make it go away and it seems to me that some people on this thread desperately want to believe this guy isn't real, well i'm sorry, but he probably is, because i've known people like that and they sadly don't just exist in the imaginations of the BNP and Israeli settlers and those sort of people.
I've sadly had experience with people who seem to think that being muslim makes them above everyone else and who have some fucking medieval attitudes about women and sex. you can't say the people believing this stuff aren't genuine muslims because in many cases they genuinely believe it is right, and part of the religion, although it's nowhere near being a universal attitude even among the practicing ones like the daily mail etc would have you believe
weltweit
Well-Known Member
Thing is that this thread started with an invitation to listen to a god botherer expounding on the purpose of life. A couple of people did tune in, only to tune out again pretty quickly. Then the thread seems to have become an Islamic theology discussion and very little to do with 'the purpose of life'.
Occassionally atheists have popped in with contributions but in the main it has had an Islamic feel to it and for people genuinely interested in the purpose of life it does seem odd that only those with Islamic leanings have seemed to have anything meaningful to say on the matter and I am sure that is not really the case.
So once again here is a contribution to "The purpose of life" :
The purpose of life is to be alive.
The purpose of a human is to be a human.
The purpose of a pig is to be a pig.
The purpose of a grain of sand is to be a grain of sand.
eta:
Humans are as humans do .. etc .. add same for pigs and grains of sand.
Occassionally atheists have popped in with contributions but in the main it has had an Islamic feel to it and for people genuinely interested in the purpose of life it does seem odd that only those with Islamic leanings have seemed to have anything meaningful to say on the matter and I am sure that is not really the case.
So once again here is a contribution to "The purpose of life" :
The purpose of life is to be alive.
The purpose of a human is to be a human.
The purpose of a pig is to be a pig.
The purpose of a grain of sand is to be a grain of sand.
eta:
Humans are as humans do .. etc .. add same for pigs and grains of sand.
invisibleplanet
porter des cornes
invisibleplanet said:
post 18.
weltweit said:
The 'intent' of the thread was to be a discussion with Islamic leanings.. so that's what the thread is about.
For a general discussion you need to set general parameters.
Otherwise people will just say stuff like 'The purpose of a human is to be a human.'
or 'The purpose of life, is To Live and Let Live.'
..both of which make better song titles than they do philosophies.
kyser_soze
Hawking's Angry Eyebrow
weltweit said:Sometimes the purpose of a grain of sand is to be part of a BEACH!
Other times to be part of a DESERT
...but all were one part of a mountain, and all will be once again sometime in the distant future.
What does this tell us students of Life? That the mightiest things may be bought low, and the most insignificant become the mightiest if you leave enough time and have a basic knowledge of geology...
weltweit
Well-Known Member
I agree with what you write kyser_soze but to add ..
I like to go more basic with the grains of sand.
My whole life is no more significant in the grand scheme of things than the tinyest grain of sand in the middle of the Gobi desert.
Of course to the people close to me, my life has significance possibly quite great significance, and theirs also to me, but that is on the micro scale, in the same way that the grains of sand surrounding that grain the middle of the Gobi support it - and it them.
I like to go more basic with the grains of sand.
My whole life is no more significant in the grand scheme of things than the tinyest grain of sand in the middle of the Gobi desert.
Of course to the people close to me, my life has significance possibly quite great significance, and theirs also to me, but that is on the micro scale, in the same way that the grains of sand surrounding that grain the middle of the Gobi support it - and it them.
kyser_soze
Hawking's Angry Eyebrow
The mountain and the sand are the same, man.
Also, a grain of sand in the hand is potentially more useful than a mountain if you have to mildly irritate someone's eye to escape tedious conversation...
weltweit
Well-Known Member
kyser_soze said:
Oh
I have come across a few mountaineers who would not be persuaded that they may as well lie on the beach and run some grains through their fingers as go and conquer K2 or some such .. Mind you asking them why they risk death or serious injury for their sport and their answers come pretty much back to the purpose of life also
Q: why do you want to climb that mountain?
A: because it's there !
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Can i get that on freeview?
weltweit
Well-Known Member
Kizmet said:
Ah, I see what you mean.
perhaps:
Life: a single life, perhaps a single human life.
Purpose: reason for being, intentions while alive, goals sought.
so "the purpose of life?": why is a single human (e.g. you or me) alive, what is our purpose, and what do we intend to achieve with our short lives?
weltweit
Well-Known Member
Of course an alternate description for "the purpose of life?"
would be
Life: all living creatures and plants, all their subsequent offspring and their parents, all species of plant and animal.
Purpose: reason for being, intentions while alive, goals sought.
The purpose of life? discussion would then I expect be much more Darwinian or perhaps even creationist than the case of the individual human life. But it perhaps would be just as interesting.
would be
Life: all living creatures and plants, all their subsequent offspring and their parents, all species of plant and animal.
Purpose: reason for being, intentions while alive, goals sought.
The purpose of life? discussion would then I expect be much more Darwinian or perhaps even creationist than the case of the individual human life. But it perhaps would be just as interesting.
kyser_soze
Hawking's Angry Eyebrow
Survive long enough to breed, that's the most basic purpose of life. All the rest is window dressing.
weltweit said:
So, in combination...
the reason for a single life..
the intentions of that life...
the goals sought by that life..
that's three different questions, innit?
a) there isn't one.
b) to survive long enough to breed
c) to breed with the best available mate
Those are the technical questions... pertaining to the purpose of a single lfe.
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