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School of Life on death of a loved one….
Someone we loved so much has died. It can be hard to know where to turn. For religions, dying was regarded as an essential, immensely important, part of existence; it was supposed to happen at a time appointed by God or by fate.

It was not an embarrassing or despair-inducing end point, it was a transformation: the soul would continue its life in another form or in another place. Those who died had only ‘departed’ and lived on elsewhere. Perhaps after our own death, our souls would be reunited with theirs.

By contrast, in modernity, death cannot help but come across as an insult. It is a fundamental rebuke to meritocracy, progress, technology and individualism; it is a failure of independence.

Modernity has prolonged our lives but it has also taken away the consolations that religion used to offer at their inevitable terminations.

Here is a set of thoughts we might turn over in our minds to soften our grief and accompany our tears:

The Surreal Nature of Death

Death is at once the strangest and most normal thing that can happen in a life.
A beloved of infinitely complex consciousness no longer exists; atoms arranged in an inexorably unique sequence are now forever dispersed.

The moment seems like a rebuke to everything we are and hope for; it is contrary to all the stability and continuity we crave - but it was preordained from the moment of birth.

Nothing fundamentally heinous has happened. There was never going to be another way - and they knew it, as we do.
The death feels so wrong but death is written into the contract of existence.
What has happened is an outrage and at the same time the fulfilment of a basic pledge we all undertook at the moment of our birth.
It is life, not death, that is the anomaly. Death is our one great common destiny, the event from which all our love and compassion flows. We miss them so much.
When Someone We Love Has Died - The School Of Life
 
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By contrast, in modernity, death cannot help but come across as an insult. It is a fundamental rebuke to meritocracy, progress, technology and individualism; it is a failure of independence.

Modernity has prolonged our lives but it has also taken away the consolations that religion used to offer at their inevitable terminations.
yes 'insult' is very apt. The indignity of the abuse inherent in our so called care system. The govt and NHS calling ill elderly people to frail to take care of themselves, as 'bed blockers'

I can understand why an individual might want to live longer but I have no idea why the state would urge us to do, or not do, this or that to live longer. Years of extra economic inactivity, a drain on the national purse, a demographic issue to be solved, what for?

Modernity may have prolonged our lives - but what for? Decades more of being old? the old are not revered or respected, we are not considered sexy enough to be noticed and increasingly we are not invited or included. eg what is the percentage of older people who cant use the internet yet the govt presses on with making things only accessible online.
 
like the bit there on grief:
I don’t disagree that grief can be the price we pay for having loved.
Grief is certainly a consequence of having loved.
I’m not sure about the phrase “the price we pay” -
Apart from the economic metaphor , could it have a possible connotation of “punishment” …. ??
 
I don’t disagree that grief can be the price we pay for having loved.
Grief is certainly a consequence of having loved.
I’m not sure about the phrase “the price we pay” -
Apart from the economic metaphor , could it have a possible connotation of “punishment” …. ??
Hadn't thought of it as punishment before. I would ask if you don't believe in a deity - who is doing the punishing?

Certainly there are people who fear to love and shun relationships in case of future hurt. I thought of grief as the consequence of loving too. I beleive 'tis better to have loved and lost, than never to have loved at all'
 
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I’m not sure , but I think that the phrase “paying the price” as a consequence of anything , usually has negative connotations , somehow “deserved” by the original behaviour….
- could that in some contexts be construed as a form of “punishment”….?
Not necessarily by any deity , although there could also be religious undertones , particularly originating in catholic guilt and the sense that there can be some “virtue” in suffering .
 
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Definitely a big factor. And fear of dying. Not actual death, but the leading up to it stuff. The suffering, loneliness, incomprehension, terror and pain.

The release from the wretchedness will be welcomed.
Yes, I know what you mean, it's being incapacitated and have to rely on other people that concerns me and I would hate to be in an old folks home however good it seemed. I'm really hoping to go quickly!

I have no problem with dying, I quite like the thought of my particles floating back into this amazing universe eventually :D
 
The following is an excerpt from The Smell of Rain on Dust by Martín Prechtel. In his book, Prechtel explains that the unexpressed grief prevalent in our society today is the reason for many of the social, cultural, and individual maladies that we are currently experiencing…

Grief expressed out loud, whether in or out of character, unchoreographed and honest, for someone we have lost, or a country or home we have lost, is in itself the greatest praise we could ever give them.
Grief is praise, because it is the natural way love honors what it misses

A son’s account of grieving by his mother‘s grave -
“ I kept on weeping, and shaking then singing as they buried her away, and as the earth began to cover her, my people wanted to leave, but I didn’t want to. I couldn’t stop crying; it just came right out of me like a broken dam and was flowing so well I dropped to my knees and shook and wept and sang some more. People were running around and kept asking my relatives what was wrong with me, and my aunties kept asking me if I was alright, and this all went on of course until the ambulance arrived.
I didn’t know who it was for, but it turned out it was for me!”

 
This is on at Vault Festival , Waterloo 14-19 March
You Are Going To Die
“The show will explore spiritual concepts such as no-self, as well as aspects of masculinity, queerness, and the solidity of identity. Characters and emotions will be deconstructed live in front of the audience, showing the unusual closeness of extreme emotions such as joy and sorrow, pain and ecstasy, and hatred and love.”

 
This is on at Vault Festival , Waterloo 14-19 March
You Are Going To Die
“The show will explore spiritual concepts such as no-self, as well as aspects of masculinity, queerness, and the solidity of identity. Characters and emotions will be deconstructed live in front of the audience, showing the unusual closeness of extreme emotions such as joy and sorrow, pain and ecstasy, and hatred and love.”

That sounds really interesting - will you and see it?
 
Declaration from the Committee of 100 in the form of a letter by Bertrand Russell.He says at para three Hitler tried to wipe out a whole people.Today the nuclear tyrants of East and West threaten the entire human race with extinction.
Guess some would say this remark hasn't aged well but have we just been lucky I wonder.
 

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Declaration from the Committee of 100 in the form of a letter by Bertrand Russell.He says at para three Hitler tried to wipe out a whole people.Today the nuclear tyrants of East and West threaten the entire human race with extinction.
Guess some would say this remark hasn't aged well but have we just been lucky I wonder.
FFS it's upside down
 
It may well be cliché but these days, think about death more than life. Which is probably unhealthy but that's the age.
Surely its natural to contemplate death as we age, it would be foolish not to? We need to prepare ourselves, I don't think that is unhealthy,

I think our atheist capitalist culture wants us to deny that fact, so they can sell us endless youthful crap, unless they want to sell us a very expensive wooden box, and a party we won't be around to see.

youth culture is all about denying growing up and growing old.

Peace is just a blip. Conflict is endless.
Presume you must be speaking only of life then? When we die I imagine any conflicts are over. I imagine death to be a peaceful release from the troubles of this life.
 
Recent book on ( politics of ) death by Jacqueline Rose
“The Plague is a collection of essays guiding us from the Covid-19 pandemic through to the war in Ukraine in order to imagine a world in which a radical respect for death might exist alongside a fairer distribution of the earth’s wealth.
‘Living death’ will appear as something of a refrain, a reminder that to think of death as an avoidable intruder into how we order our lives, especially in the West, is an act of defiance that is doomed to fail.
In the thought of the philosopher Simone Weil, who plays a key role in the book, only if we admit the limits of the human, will we stop vaunting the brute illusion of earthly power.”
 
Death isn't some special blessing or necessary feature of the universe, or any of the dozens of other supposedly comforting lies we tell ourselves about it. We mourn the passing of those whose presence we cherish. The pursuit of a longer life is one that transcends every mode of production. The whole field of modern medicine is the scientific application of our deep-seated desire to hold death at bay for as long as possible. When it comes right down to it, every action we each take that remotely sustains us, is all done in defiance of the end that would sooner overtake us.

I hope that sooner or later as a species we can successfully abolish involuntary death. The universe in which we find ourselves is more than large enough to accommodate such an eventuality. Death isn't imposed on us as an act of deserved divine punishment or inexorable cosmic will, it is merely the culmination of comprehensible natural phenomena and as such, it has no more right to be than any other feature of the natural universe that cuts short human thriving.
 
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