the purpose of life

[invisibleplanet]

because i didnt think u'd be familiar with the term mushrik.

I'm familiar with the term Mashriq.

I'm familiar with the term 'polytheist' and 'village-dweller' and 'unbeliever/atheist' too.

 

[invisibleplanet]

ppl with all kind of beliefs claim to be muslims, thats fair enough
but with the amount of different groups today these labels are necessary to know where their taking their knowledge from and what their aqueeda (creed) is.

No. This sort of nonsense causes division (fitna) between people, communities and so forth.

 

[Spion]

I shall expect butchersapron to be along shortly to shout!'

'takfiri bastard!' at you, or some other such sectarian insult.

You mean our resident imam Butshaas Al-Abrun?

He recently damaged his hand in a bizarre accident (got carried away thinking of the treasures that await him in paradise) so he's not writing too much just now

 

[butchersapron]

I shall expect butchersapron to be along shortly to shout!'

'takfiri bastard!' at you, or some other such sectarian insult.

I used the term takfiri i think. Not 'takfiri bastard!'.

What did i actually say invisibleplanet and how does it comapre to your 'quote'?

 

[invisibleplanet]

u r a shia bastard!

Asalaamu Aleikum brother

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[butchersapron]

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What?

 

[butchersapron]

My quote = 'takfiri'
invisibleplanet's quote of my quote = 'takfiri bastard!'

How'd that happen then? Anyone :lol:

 

[kyser_soze]

I'm a Muslim and never even knew it!!!

Neither did my Mum, or indeed any of my family. Just goes to show, eh?

 

[butchersapron]

Animals are all muslim too.

 

[Brainaddict]

Animals are all muslim too.

Even pigs?

 

[Crispy]

Even pigs?

Especially pigs.

 

[kyser_soze]

What about roaches? Are they Muslim too?

 

[Aldebaran]

the pagans of Mecca that fought the muslims also believed in Allah

They believed in a diety probably carrying originally the/his Aramaic name al-LaHa (the god), which over time was adopted in Arabic pronouced as Allah with similar meaning. (Etymology of the word Allah isn not exaclty a closed case and I don't have the time for writing a lecture in linguistics.)

The fact that Muhammed's father was called abd'allah proves this deity existed alongside others and some suggest that there was a connection between this deity and the deity Hubal. If that is the case the Allah deity of the polytheist Arabs came rather late in pre-Islamic times to Mecca (I can post a known tale of how Hubal was introduced in Mecca if you like but as historian I have of course doubts and I didn't research it).

The fact that the name of this deity was chosen to introduce the idea of monotheïsm to the polytheists in Mecca is a good indication to the importance of this deity in the Meccan society.

It is however not the same deity as God in Al Qur'an and for you, who claims to be Muslim, to state this proves once more your sad lack of education in Islam.

By the way: I was raised in Sunni Islam, studied Sunni Islam and have now and then interesting contacts with Shia scholars but that isn't exactly making of me a Shia scholar. If you want good information on Shia Islam I suggest you contact a Shia scholar or Imam.

salaam.

 

[rover07]

everyones born a muslim, but after the age of puberty everyones responsible for adhering to Islam, few do.

Says who?

 

[Aldebaran]

Animals are all muslim too.

All creatures and all of Creation worship Allah in their own way.

salaam.

 

[Aldebaran]

everyones born a muslim, but after the age of puberty everyones responsible for adhering to Islam, few do.

God choses who He wants.
If you are not chosen by lifetime to be guided to the right path, maybe you shall be at the moment of your death.
Humans can only guess.

salaam.

 

[rover07]

Mohammed's father was called abd'allah.... so Allah was his tribal god. And Mohammed wanted all the tribes to worship his god. In other words he wanted to be overall king of Mecca.

 

[Aldebaran]

Mohammed's father was called abd'allah.... so Allah was his tribal god. And Mohammed wanted all the tribes to worship his god. In other words he wanted to be overall king of Mecca.

A theory like any other (I'm afraid the reality was a tad more complex.)

salaam.

 

[rover07]

God choses who He wants.
If you are not chosen by lifetime to be guided to the right path, maybe you shall be at the moment of your death.
Humans can only guess.

salaam.

And if you're not chosen.....tough shit!! Hellfire for you....

 

[Aldebaran]

And if you're not chosen.....tough shit!! Hellfire for you....

Depends on what you understand by that.
If you are innocent and God is the ultimate justice, you can hardly be doomed for something you are innocent about.

salaam.

 

[butchersapron]

Depends on what you understand by that.
If you are innocent and God is the ultimate justice, you can hardly be doomed for something you are innocent about.

salaam.

Never worked in an office have you?

 

[rover07]

And if you are guilty....should you be doomed to Hell?

 

[kyser_soze]

There's some serious testefying going on here...

 

[Aldebaran]

Never worked in an office have you?

None except my own and I doubt that could serve as prototype for how an office should be.

salaam.

 

[Aldebaran]

And if you are guilty....should you be doomed to Hell?

To define guilt is in fact beyond human comprehension.

salaam.

 

[butchersapron]

By the way: I was raised in Sunni Islam, studied Sunni Islam and have now and then interesting contacts with Shia scholars but that isn't exactly making of me a Shia scholar. If you want good information on Shia Islam I suggest you contact a Shia scholar or Imam.

salaam.

u r gud sunni

 

[butchersapron]

To define guilt is in fact beyond human comprehension.

salaam.

Why? We made the term up after all.

 

[Aldebaran]

u r gud sunni

u r Muslim 4 Allah?

salaam.
?

 

[Aldebaran]

Why? We made the term up after all.

You said it: made it up.

salaam.

 

[kyser_soze]

Just the same way we made up God.