The next coalition government

[Brixton Hatter]

I still have a feeling the Tories are going to see a 3 or 4% (or more) lead over Labour in the polls this week - or perhaps not in the polls but in the actual vote. Might get close to the point where Con+Lib+DUp gets them up to the winning line. Otherwise, it's a war of position for a few days and then who can get a queens speech through.

It's all an astonishing mess.

I don't think it's a mess: it's great. I'm enjoying every minute of all the party leaders squirming. And having to resort to more and more desperate rhetoric in order to remain credible and in with a chance of power.

Fascinating stuff imo.

 

[bemused]

I don't think it's a mess: it's great. I'm enjoying every minute of all the party leaders squirming. And having to resort to more and more desperate rhetoric in order to remain credible and in with a chance of power.

Fascinating stuff imo.

Given whoever gets it they are pretty much going to do the same shit watching them fight is the only silver lining.

 

[Wilf]

I don't think it's a mess: it's great. I'm enjoying every minute of all the party leaders squirming. And having to resort to more and more desperate rhetoric in order to remain credible and in with a chance of power.

Fascinating stuff imo.

Mess not quite the right word, I posted this on another thread:

In so many ways the most interesting election since the 30s, 20s even (emerging/growing 4th parties in England, near certainty of coalition, effects of the referendum on Scotland, tiny shifts in votes making some coalitions possible, others not). But then it's the dullest ever, with only one real outcome in ways that matter - neo-liberalism. I'm interested but not 'engaged'.

Yes, I'm enjoying the spectacle of the pre-vote-pre-coalition desperate positioning going on. Miliband has ruled so much out he's made himself look a complete idiot and is in danger of reviving the importance of the libdems. It's all a sort of fascinating demonstration of irrelevance, but also a series of cunts sharpening their axes for real cuts that will not only hurt real people, but will kill some.

 

[Spanky Longhorn]

Miliband has ruled so much out he's made himself look a complete idiot

not to many people who matter

 

[Brixton Hatter]

Mess not quite the right word….It's all a sort of fascinating demonstration of irrelevance, but also a series of cunts sharpening their axes for real cuts that will not only hurt real people, but will kill some.

this^

 

[brogdale]

this^

Irrelevance and impotence.

The party 'campaigns' have struggled to identify issues over which substantive differences can be demonstrated. The various parties of financialised capital aspiring to 'govern' the consolidator state have demonstrated the very limited ambit permitted within neo-liberal ideology.

The hysterical approach of the press speaks more about the threat that they themselves perceive from Labour, rather than any reservations that the city pay-masters may have.

 

[Dogsauce]

The hysterical approach of the press speaks more about the threat that they themselves perceive from Labour, rather than any reservations that the city pay-masters may have.

Payback for getting bollocked over phone hacking, notable that Murdoch has backed Labour's opponents in Scotland and the rest of the UK. There's no inconsistency to his position.

(also notable is who is standing up and shouting for Labour - Coogan, Brand, Church - although Hugh Grant is somehow endorsing the dark side)

 

[brogdale]

On C4 News Crick has been breaking a story in which he claims that (un-named) Union leaders have told Miliband to 'go nuclear' to get the LDs on board an anti-tory grouping by offering the one thing that cameron can't/won't...electoral reform. Has Lab really pulled their Hallam campaign?

Lordy, this is how it's going to be, right?

 

[andysays]

On C4 News Crick has been breaking a story in which he claims that (un-named) Union leaders have told Miliband to 'go nuclear' to get the LDs on board an anti-tory grouping by offering the one thing that cameron can't/won't...electoral reform. Has Lab really pulled their Hallam campaign?

Lordy, this is how it's going to be, right?

Do they need to get the LDs on board?

Assuming the predictions are broadly right, if Lab get SNP backing they will have enough votes, but if they don't then the LD votes won't be enough (at least when it comes to forming a govt, maybe not on specific individual votes...)

 

[brogdale]

Do they need to get the LDs on board?

Assuming the predictions are broadly right, if Lab get SNP backing they will have enough votes, but if they don't then the LD votes won't be enough (at least when it comes to forming a govt, maybe not on specific individual votes...)

I assume it's essentially mischief making, but there could well be some truth that they're working up 'game-plans' before they need to make the call in the small hours of Friday.

As chilango said..Love elections. Hate governments. This is going to get very interesting, very quickly.

 

[chilango]

I assume it's essentially mischief making, but there could well be some truth that they're working up 'game-plans' before they need to make the call in the small hours of Friday.

As chilango said..Love elections. Hate governments. This is going to get very interesting, very quickly.

I don't think they've a clue how to respond to this situation. It's brilliant to witness.

 

[King Biscuit Time]

On C4 News Crick has been breaking a story in which he claims that (un-named) Union leaders have told Miliband to 'go nuclear' to get the LDs on board an anti-tory grouping by offering the one thing that cameron can't/won't...electoral reform. Has Lab really pulled their Hallam campaign?

Lordy, this is how it's going to be, right?

No sign of Labour pulling their Hallam campaign. In fact, I'm sure I read somewhere that the Lab candidate in SH isn't getting any money from the party as it's not on the target list (Lab came 3rd in 2010 with 16%) - so there's nothing really to pull. Besides, a Cleggless Lib Dem party would be more likely to pal up with Labour wouldn't it. It would be all 'A big boy made us do it then ran away'.

 

[Brixton Hatter]

I don't think they've a clue how to respond to this situation.

It's probably worth knocking up a few scenarios to work out what might happen.

This is the FT's latest projection. I think their predictions are slightly biased towards the Tories, but anyway, here it is:

No overall majority. The vermin can't make a majority with the Lib Dems (307 in total) or even with DUP too (315.) Does Dave hang on and hope for a deal? He mighty try, but surely he can't win a Queen's speech so the coalition either has to resign or face losing a VoC or Queen's speech.

So Milibrand gets a go. He can't get a majority by doing a coalition with the Lib Dems (292). Neither with the SNP (318) - though he might scrape through a Queen's speech with support of PC/Green/DUP etc. But he's specifically ruled out a coalition with the SNP. So does he go back on his word and get five hateful years of being called a liar (LD tuition fees style) or simply hope the SNP & others to support a Queen's speech?

Why would the SNP (and others) support a minority Labour Government? What would they have to be offered? Would Labour even offer it to them?

Answers on a postcard.

 

[andysays]

...Why would the SNP (and others) support a minority Labour Government? What would they have to be offered? Would Labour even offer it to them?

Answers on a postcard.

Five years of not-a-Tory government (which might or might not be enough)

 

[Brixton Hatter]

Five years of not-a-Tory government (which might or might not be enough)

True…but Labour are basically Tory. The SNP get nothing from this arrangement. No guarantees, no power, no decisions, no nothing.

All they can do is occasionally vote things down. They can't vote to increase spending for example (only the Govt can do this). Surely they would try to extract something concrete from Labour rather than simply giving them a VoC?

 

[Wilf]

I don't think they've a clue how to respond to this situation. It's brilliant to witness.

I'm at least looking forward to seeing the sleep deprived cunts being pushed up in front of the cameras on Friday, desperate to get back into their bunkers to take important texts from the DUP.

 

[brogdale]

Bit of a thread fail. Sorry everyone.

Though I suppose we will now see how difficult the coalition of factions within the vermin will be to manage. This will now be a whole lot harder for Dave.

 

[Dan U]

Bit of a thread fail. Sorry everyone.

Though I suppose we will now see how difficult the coalition of factions within the vermin will be to manage. This will now be a whole lot harder for Dave.

At least we know who to blame for this debacle. [emoji35] [emoji6]