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I've given up on reading your posts now Onar, I find them far too depressing but at a glance I see you mention Rwanda as an example of African Nazism (ffs). Can I take it that you don't believe that the racial hierarchy imposed by the colonisers and the Hamitic hypothesis they used to justify it might have had something to do with it? To simplify a little, from what I've read Rwanda is a classic example of colonial policy formalising ethnic divides and using them for divide and rule purposes, with the Tutsi elite taking all the best jobs, school places and positions of political influence. This led to class based oppression gaining ethnic expression (most Tutsi were no better off than their Hutu neighbours). Nothing whatsoever to do with African philosophy or socialism.
 
This is the 'science' that he is getting his information about IQ from.

Here are some of the criticisms of the study :
The figures were obtained by taking equally-weighted averages of different IQ tests. The number of studies is very limited; the IQ figure is based on one study in 34 nations, two studies in 30 nations. There were actual tests for IQ in 81 nations. In 104 of the world's nations there were no IQ studies at all and IQ was estimated based on IQ in surrounding nations.[2]

Studies that were averaged together often used different methods of IQ testing, different scales for IQ values and/or were done decades apart. IQ in children is different although correlated with IQ later in life and many of the studies tested only young children.

The number of participants in some studies were limited. A test of 108 9-15-year olds in Barbados, of 50 13–16-year olds in Colombia, of 104 5–17-year olds in Ecuador, of 129 6–12-year olds in Egypt, of 48 10–14-year olds in Equatorial Guinea, and so on, all were taken as measures of 'national IQ'.[3]

Many nations are very heterogeneous ethnically. This is true for many developing countries. It is very doubtful that a sometimes limited number of participants from one or a few areas are representative for the population as whole.

The notion that there is such a thing as a culturally neutral intelligence test is disputed.[25][26][27][28][29] There are many difficulties when one is measuring IQ scores across cultures, and in multiple languages. Use of the same set of exams requires translation, with all its attendant difficulties and possible misunderstandings in other cultures.[30] To adapt to this, some IQ tests rely on non-verbal approaches, which involve pictures, diagrams, and conceptual relationships (such as in-out, great-small, and so on).

Denny Borsboom (2006) argues that mainstream contemporary test analysis does not reflect substantial recent developments in the field and "bears an uncanny resemblance to the psychometric state of the art as it existed in the 1950s." For example, it is argued that IQ and the Wealth of Nations, in order to show that the tests are unbiased, uses outdated methodology, if anything indicative that test bias exist.[31]

The national IQ of Ethiopia was estimated from a study done on 250 15-year-old Ethiopian Jews one year after their migration to Israel. The research compares their level of performance with native Israelis using progressive matrices tests. The results showed that the Ethiopians' level of performance was similar to that of the young Israeli children's group (ages 9–10). The study suggested that the low performance of the Ethiopian immigrants reflects cognitive delay rather than cognitive difference.[32] Lynn has criticized the study arguing that is contains a number of errors.[33] Girma Berhanu in an essay review of the book concentrated on the discussion of Ethiopian Jews. The review criticizes the principal assertion of the authors that differences in intelligence attributed to genetics account for the gap between rich and poor countries. Surveying related academic literature, the review suggests flaws in the methodology of Lynn and Vanhanen, and purports to expose the "racist, sexist and antihuman nature" of their underlying framework. Berhanu argues that "the low standards of scholarship evident in the book render it largely irrelevant for modern science".[34]
[edit] Criticism of score adjustments

As noted earlier, in many cases adjustments were made by authors to account for the Flynn effect or when the authors thought that the studies were not representative of the ethnic or social composition of the nation.

One critic writes: "Their scheme is to take the British Ravens IQ in 1979 as 100, and simply add or subtract 2 or 3 to the scores from other countries for each decade that the relevant date of test departs from that year. The assumptions of size, linearity and universal applicability of this correction across all countries are, of course, hugely questionable if not breathtaking. Flynn's original results were from only 14 (recently extended to twenty) industrialised nations, and even those gains varied substantially with test and country and were not linear. For example, recent studies report increases of eight points per decade among Danes; six points per decade in Spain; and 26 points over 14 years in Kenya (confirming the expectation that newly developing countries would show more rapid gains)."[3

Contemptible.
 
It's a very important village concept common to many peoples across Southern Africa meaning humanness/togetherness.
To call it 'the African version of National Socialism' is truly miserable.

Oh, OK - i got that confused. Yeah, I had a quickl look and onanism here is talking out his arse.
 
I've given up on reading your posts now Onar, I find them far too depressing but at a glance I see you mention Rwanda as an example of African Nazism (ffs). Can I take it that you don't believe that the racial hierarchy imposed by the colonisers and the Hamitic hypothesis they used to justify it might have had something to do with it? To simplify a little, from what I've read Rwanda is a classic example of colonial policy formalising ethnic divides and using them for divide and rule purposes, with the Tutsi elite taking all the best jobs, school places and positions of political influence. This led to class based oppression gaining ethnic expression (most Tutsi were no better off than their Hutu neighbours). Nothing whatsoever to do with African philosophy or socialism.
Well it wasn't even a proper ethnic divide. Tutsi just meant someone who owned more than ten cows and was imposed by the Belgians who also had some dotty racist theory about length and straightness of nose and shoved people into one group or the other. The old divide and rule tactic.
 
As ever, he has everything arse about tit. With this iq shit, he is taking (very fucking flimsy) evidence of performance in tests that growing up in a particular kind of technologically advanced environment makes you better at. He is then using that evidence to show that iq is a significant factor in determining whether or not a country is technologically advanced. Everything he does has this circular reasoning to it.
 
Well it wasn't even a proper ethnic divide. Tutsi just meant someone who owned more than ten cows and was imposed by the Belgians who also had some dotty racist theory about length and straightness of nose and shoved people into one group or the other. The old divide and rule tactic.

True, though it's not quite that simple. The colonial ideology did feed on a certain representation of the region's history. The area was originally populated by pygmies, who were a tiny minority by the time of the genocide. It's certainly true that a group of agriculturalists (from the south I believe) moved in a couple of thousand years ago, quickly followed by a group of cattle herders from the north. But by the time the colonisers arrived they were fully integrated - inter-breeding had removed any ethnic differences years ago - they even had a shared culture, religion and language. At this stage Hutu meant agriculturalist and Tutsi meant cattle herder. By the time the Germans arrived there were some visual differences - due to the way in which they lived Hutu tended to be shorter and stockier than the tall, slim Tutsi. Also, a Tutsi monarchy had taken over previously Hutu lands (and also previously independent Tutsi lands) but the conflicts were as likely to be inter-Tutsi as Tutsi vs Hutu. What the Germans did was to weave a narrative around this that purported to show the Tutsi as sons of Ham. These people were said to have higher levels of civilisation - to be essentially caucasians with black skin - this was "proven" by the fact that Tutsi had ruled over the Hutu, which fit perfectly with the Hamitic myth. But it was the Germans who introduced the idea that this was an ethnic, rather than economic, divide. I think a lot of this was planned - earlier colonisers had found that tribes of people would unite against their white rulers - allowing one indigenous group to dominate over the other removes this risk - if it kicks off it will be a fight between the natives. The Belgians came in later and wanted to use "science" rather than religious ideology to justify the hierarchy - that's where the nose and chin measurements came in. (I've read a lot about this recently for a course I'm doing and it's become a bit of a pet subject for me).
 
Mrs Magpie said:
Ah, sorry, I thought it was the Belgians.

I'll have to check but I think it was the Germans who started it off with the Hamitic myth and the Belgians came in after WW1 and updated it to a "scientific" theory.
 
Racists don't often admit to their racism.

Which act often serves to highlight their racism, given that any reasonable person not indulging in knee-jerk denialism will, on reflection, conclude that everyone is racist, and that some folks are merely better-trained at keeping a lid on their irrationality than others.
 
And how did we get onto the subject of intelligence again Onarchy? Because you needed it to justify your position - the position that "businessmen" and "wealth creators" (lol) are rich because they're more intelligent.

I could equally well argue that YOU need IQ to be a myth to justify that the rich in capitalism are plunderers.
 
You can't even see the thousand different ways in which you manifest your racism in your posts, can you, you stupid racist.

It's not the racism that annoys me. I expect it (suitably dressed up as something entirely different, naturally!) from someone with that form of contrarian politics.

No, what really pisses me off is that the fool keeps starting posts with "Ah!". It's almost as irritating as when Jesus kept saying "ah, but consider the lilies of the field" on "This Morning With Richard, Not Judy". :mad:
 
This is the 'science' that he is getting his information about IQ from.

Here are some of the criticisms of the study :

Contemptible.

Uh-huh. I made a point about different IQ tests being incredibly difficult to equally weight the other day. It seems that Onar and a handful of dufuses know better, though.
 
As ever, he has everything arse about tit. With this iq shit, he is taking (very fucking flimsy) evidence of performance in tests that growing up in a particular kind of technologically advanced environment makes you better at. He is then using that evidence to show that iq is a significant factor in determining whether or not a country is technologically advanced. Everything he does has this circular reasoning to it.

That's simply untrue, and viciously so. There has been done quite a lot of twin and adoption studies in America with many different races. They show that identical twins reared apart will have nearly identical IQs, even when one of the twins is raised in a poor family and the other in a successful rich one. How do you explain that? How do you explain that adopted children have an IQ that is no more correlated to their adoptive parents than a stranger and that their IQ is still significantly correlated to their biological mothers that they have never seen. This is true of several races. How do you explain that? How is that even possible if IQ is a myth? Telepathic transfer? How do you explain that families that adopt children of different races (blacks, half-blacks, hispanics, whites and asians) get children that are on average ranked according to their racial averages? How do you explain that two black parents with IQ 90 on average get children that have a LOWER IQ than themselves, whereas white parents with an IQ of 90 on average get children that have a HIGHER IQ than themselves? This is easily explained by a regression to the biological mean of the ethnic group one belongs to, but makes no sense if IQ is a "myth." (Black children regress DOWNWARD towards the black mean of 82, whereas white children regress UPWARDS towards the white mean of 100)

Furthermore, how du you explain that children with a low IQ born in successful middleclass families on average end up with low-pay jobs and low education, whereas children with a high IQ born into poor families on average end up with high-pay jobs and a good education?

Explaining this without a biologically based IQ requires contortions of the mind that are simply unimaginable, but WITH a biologically based IQ it all becomes logical and easy. You have to resort to epicycles and phlogistons, whereas the biological theory gets a walk in the park.
 
Indeed. I haven't heard about any of these studies - any links to the peer reviewed articles you no doubt found those in Onar?
 
That's simply untrue, and viciously so. There has been done quite a lot of twin and adoption studies in America with many different races. They show that identical twins reared apart will have nearly identical IQs, even when one of the twins is raised in a poor family and the other in a successful rich one. How do you explain that? How do you explain that adopted children have an IQ that is no more correlated to their adoptive parents than a stranger and that their IQ is still significantly correlated to their biological mothers that they have never seen. This is true of several races. How do you explain that? How is that even possible if IQ is a myth? Telepathic transfer? How do you explain that families that adopt children of different races (blacks, half-blacks, hispanics, whites and asians) get children that are on average ranked according to their racial averages? How do you explain that two black parents with IQ 90 on average get children that have a LOWER IQ than themselves, whereas white parents with an IQ of 90 on average get children that have a HIGHER IQ than themselves? This is easily explained by a regression to the biological mean of the ethnic group one belongs to, but makes no sense if IQ is a "myth." (Black children regress DOWNWARD towards the black mean of 82, whereas white children regress UPWARDS towards the white mean of 100)

Furthermore, how du you explain that children with a low IQ born in successful middleclass families on average end up with low-pay jobs and low education, whereas children with a high IQ born into poor families on average end up with high-pay jobs and a good education?

Explaining this without a biologically based IQ requires contortions of the mind that are simply unimaginable, but WITH a biologically based IQ it all becomes logical and easy. You have to resort to epicycles and phlogistons, whereas the biological theory gets a walk in the park.

I'll leave VP or someone else with more patience than me to dissect this latest piece of racist lunacy.

I'm just going to call you a cunt for saying it.
 
Whilst I can't stand Dawkins I don't think this is true at all. In fact he made this video in response to people like Onarchy misrepresenting evolution to suit their political agenda:


[video=google;-3494530275568693212]http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3494530275568693212#[/video]

In this video Dawkins displays his complete lack of understanding of capitalism. He thinks that capitalism is the law of the jungle and dog eat dog competition, and then goes on to prove that evolution doesn't support capitalism because "nice guys finish first." He even speaks of the ridiculously contradictory concept of "reciprocal altruism" -- mutual self-sacrifice for mutual benefit! In a sane world "reciprocal altruism" is called rational self-interested TRADE and it is the basis of capitalism. In capitalism "nice guys finish first." The baker makes money by being nice to other people, i.e. creating bread that his customers value more than their money. So evolutionary theory does indeed support capitalism as the natural and moral system for humans.
 
Indeed. I haven't heard about any of these studies - any links to the peer reviewed articles you no doubt found those in Onar?

Most of this research is nicely summarized in Philippe Rushton's "Race, Evolution, and Behavior." There you will find all the references. An abrigded popularized version is available on the net, but it does not have a reference list. For that you need the unabridged version, but the names of some of the studies is mentioned in the abridged version.

http://www.charlesdarwinresearch.org/Race_Evolution_Behavior.pdf
 
Most of this research is nicely summarized in Philippe Rushton's "Race, Evolution, and Behavior." There you will find all the references. An abrigded popularized version is available on the net, but it does not have a reference list. For that you need the unabridged version, but the names of some of the studies is mentioned in the abridged version.

http://www.charlesdarwinresearch.org/Race_Evolution_Behavior.pdf

More discredited "scientific racism".
 
In a sane world "reciprocal altruism" is called rational self-interested TRADE and it is the basis of capitalism. In capitalism "nice guys finish first." The baker makes money by being nice to other people, i.e. creating bread that his customers value more than their money. So evolutionary theory does indeed support capitalism as the natural and moral system for humans.

Back you go to the Smithian mythical village where everyone has a home and a shop and a trade and everyone sells their product to the others at their shop at market-balanced prices the other consumers can alter.
 
Most of this research is nicely summarized in Philippe Rushton's "Race, Evolution, and Behavior." There you will find all the references. An abrigded popularized version is available on the net, but it does not have a reference list. For that you need the unabridged version, but the names of some of the studies is mentioned in the abridged version.

http://www.charlesdarwinresearch.org/Race_Evolution_Behavior.pdf

Oh right. This would be the 'Race, Evolution and Behaviour' which was eviscerated by serious scholars and which received approving reviews only from wingnuts and researchers who were also receipients of the Pioneer Fund's largesse.

The Pioneer Fund of which Rushton is president?

Established in 1937 by wealthy businessman Wickliffe Draper, the nonprofit Pioneer Fund has long been accused of misusing social science to fuel the politics of oppression by supporting research that seeks to establish the genetic and intellectual inferiority of blacks. Although the Pioneer Fund denies its ties to any political agenda, this powerful and provocative volume reveals the truth behind their long history of clandestine activities. The Funding of Scientific Racism examines for the first time archival correspondence that incriminates the fund's major players, revealing links to a Klansman's crusade to repatriate blacks, as well as efforts to reverse the Brown decision, prevent passage of the Civil Rights Act, and implement a system of racially segregated private schools.

http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=C-jIEhfKPaYC&printsec=frontcover
 
More discredited "scientific racism".

At least the race-realist intellectual behind it all, John Rushton, is moving with the times, there's less money in attacking black people nowadays, Muslims are where it's at.

Wikipedia said:
Rushton spoke at 'Preserving Western Civilization conference in Baltimore. It was organized by Michael H. Hart for the stated purpose of "addressing the need" to defend "America’s Judeo-Christian heritage and European identity" from immigrants, Muslims, and African Americans.[59][60] In his speech, Rushton said that Islam was not just a cultural, but also a genetic problem. He thought the religion and issues associated with it were not just a condition of the belief system. His theory is that Muslims have an aggressive personality with relatively closed, simple minds, and were less amenable to reason.[61]
 
Rushton got some undergrads to go round their local shopping malls and ask a random sample of males how long their penises were. I think that says it all where the status of his 'science' is concerned.
 
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