Given how few anarchists there are in the UK it'd be very difficult for anarchists in the UK to seldom mix with non-anarchists.
The most working-class anarchist group is...
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LLETSA said:
Well i have a large circle of friend some right some liberal some i went to school with are BNP supporters (not to much drinking with them these days) I even socialise regulary with SWP/SP/RA people i once went out with a tory.
I recognise that anarchism is not that big, but absolve myself from your generalisation by proving that i am active in the community and work.
charlie mowbray
The Enforcer
Exactly how many more? Outside of parts of Hackney?ernestolynch said:
Noone has said that's shit. What was shit was the claim that anarchists want anarchism to be unheard of.
hibee said:
The difference is LLETSA states that we are unheard of do nothing and are content with that. I pointed out that some of us dedicate quite a large amount of our time doing things at work and in the community.
Recognising that i dont have super human powers to turn the world to anarchy does not acknowledge that anarchism is unheard of, it is being realistic and highlighting where we acn we are doing things.
Every household in London received a leaflet containing the prop and aims of all GLA contending groups. I would estimate that a good 1,000,000 read the IWCA page.
Outside of the studenty areas - New Cross, Hackney, Brixton and so on - people's perceptions of 'anarchists' in general are crusties - Swampy and so on - and no-one will have even heard of your two main parties - AFED and ClassWar.
Outside of the studenty areas - New Cross, Hackney, Brixton and so on - people's perceptions of 'anarchists' in general are crusties - Swampy and so on - and no-one will have even heard of your two main parties - AFED and ClassWar.
LLETSA said:
Dont make me cut and paste your original point LLETSA for the third time.
Herbert Read said:I cant cope, its you who went off and made your self look stupid, i gave you evidence that we are visible and have a profile on my patch. You ignored it and carried on regardless. You are the type of know it all who just will never admit hes wrong.
I dont know who is sad or lonely im making an eduacted and skilled guest from the way you deal with things on these boards.
I dont need a crystal ball i have worked in mental health services for years
Sigh....
LLETSA said:
Your last
charlie mowbray
The Enforcer
How many read it, rather than trash it like they do most political leaflets they get through the letter box and how many remeber its name, and more importantly what it stands for- this is not knocking the IWCA but looking at the factsernestolynch said:
Carry on LLETSA i wish they would re open the Red Action boards
Divisive Cotton
Now I just have my toy soldiers
charlie mowbray said:
I left the DAM ten years ago... but I was/still am friendly with many activists involved and who were involved for quite sometime in the anarchist movement... people who had fought at Wapping, who fought with AFA... who fought when when and where necessary.
Now, I was being diplomatic when I used the word 'puzzlement'... actually what I should have written was CONTEMPT.
Now, before somebody quotes me from a current member of SOLFED, I can only comment on ELDAM and others from London that I knew at the time.
Lets face it, your hysterical reactions to LLETSA does yourselves no favours.
In fact, you come across worse than the Trots. Which, actually, you not a million miles away from.... That is, you are not part of the solution, but a part of the problem. You are just as ideologically and dogmatically enslaved as they are.
Really... you were at the founding ACF conference in 1986... haven't fucking achieved much have you in that time....
What's a 'Social Centre'? By the way I've been to Hebden Bridge and it's a nice village full of hippy-types.
Donna Ferentes
jubliado
Do you mean socially, or politically?General Ludd said:
hibee said:
What Kropotkin does is up to him and i respect his integrity . What is pathetic is broad generalisations, to put people down when they are giving their best.
Fozzie Bear
Well-Known Member
charlie mowbray said:
50,000 people voted for the IWCA in the mayoral election, iirc.
Now, you may not like standing in elections (and I am by no means gung ho about it) - but when was the last time 50,000 people endorsed anarchism in the UK, let alone in London?
ernestolynch said:
The leeds one is by the market no hippy types, Hebden is a centre for lesbian bikers.
Socail centre is an autonomous space that is only limited by what you want it to do.
charlie mowbray said:
A lot more people than have ever been into a 'Social Centre' and had some vegan pies, and a lot less people than those who read newspaper reports about cider-fuelled uni drop-outs smashing up McDs on Mayday...
right - ignoring all the snipping between sides for a minute (i respect the posters on both sides of this row 
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letsa is right - 99.9% of the population has no idea about anarchism, even if they've heard the term it's in the wrong context - far more people know about socialism, either the "stalinist" form or the old labour form - or even the shouty swp form.
99.9% of people have never heard of the iwca - in fact i reckon not even all the regulars in hackney independent's local know what they stand for entirely
i havent seen letsa claim the iwca are well known - and indeed i think his point would still stand.
in haringey - quite a few anarchists are involved in resident's associations, in organising an annual massively successful community festival, in organising networking events for people organising on tottenham estates, in organising social nights, in saving sub post offices, in helping benefits claiments, in opposing loan sharks (brighthouse), in defending the parks, opposing regeneration etc etc
in fact i think i can safely say if it wasnt for anarchists then most of these things wouldnt happen, or if they did they wouldnt have been as big or successful
despite this, and despite the fact that HSG produces a regular newsletter and distributes around 3-4000 copies boroughwide, not to mention countless leaflets - i would still say that 99% of people in haringey havent heard of hsg or if they have arent aware it is principally anarchist - and certainly wouldnt be aware of our involvement in the above issues.
that is a fact - there's no point denying it
)letsa is right - 99.9% of the population has no idea about anarchism, even if they've heard the term it's in the wrong context - far more people know about socialism, either the "stalinist" form or the old labour form - or even the shouty swp form.
99.9% of people have never heard of the iwca - in fact i reckon not even all the regulars in hackney independent's local know what they stand for entirely
i havent seen letsa claim the iwca are well known - and indeed i think his point would still stand.
in haringey - quite a few anarchists are involved in resident's associations, in organising an annual massively successful community festival, in organising networking events for people organising on tottenham estates, in organising social nights, in saving sub post offices, in helping benefits claiments, in opposing loan sharks (brighthouse), in defending the parks, opposing regeneration etc etc
in fact i think i can safely say if it wasnt for anarchists then most of these things wouldnt happen, or if they did they wouldnt have been as big or successful
despite this, and despite the fact that HSG produces a regular newsletter and distributes around 3-4000 copies boroughwide, not to mention countless leaflets - i would still say that 99% of people in haringey havent heard of hsg or if they have arent aware it is principally anarchist - and certainly wouldnt be aware of our involvement in the above issues.
that is a fact - there's no point denying it
That's not what I said.hibee said:
I write for an explicitly anarchist newsletter that I help distribute, and have written for Freedom- an explicitly anarchist paper, so I do "prosletise". What I was trying to say was that the purpose of anarchist groups was not to recruit, as we don't see ourselves "leading the revolution".
Herbert Read said:
What the market by the canal full of tie-dye stalls, new-age bollocks and vegan cafes?
How many 'normal people' go into these social centres?
Divisive Cotton
Now I just have my toy soldiers
Top Dog said:
I bailed out when that happened
What do you mean? I mix socially with non-anarchists (in face all my close friends are non-anarchists) and most of the people I talk to about politics (of U75) aren't anarchists.
So when you wrote that you were puzzled by the AF not doing anything during the miner's strike, an event that occurred before the AF existed, you actually meant you held the, at the time non-existent, AF in contempt? This leaves me slightly confused. Generally I find it hard to have any opinion on groups that don't exist, even more so on groups that I have no idea will ever exist, yet you seem to be suggesting that years before it existed you held the AF in contempt.
charlie mowbray
The Enforcer
Bitter little man, aren't you? If you could get over the inaccuracies and the sectarianism, you might ask what has DAM/Solfed achieved since its foundation. This is is not knocking the Solfed, just to point out that no group in British anarchism has particularly grown in this period.Divisive Cotton said:
Thankfully, people in Solfed are a bit less sectarian in the main than they were in your day.
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