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The most working-class anarchist group is...

Ok catch, I wasn't actually suggesting juggling was revolutionary :rolleyes:

catch said:
I was under the impression that quite a large number of people in the WOMBLES don't have jobs - so how do they fit into your two identical categories?
Do we really have to get into another dull discussion about the Wombles class composition?
 
I'm not sure if this thread is very shir or very clever but its given me a chance to ask something I've been wondering as I'm sure other people outside of Britain have

kropotkin said:
I went to a shit private school that my mum worked at- cost £3K a year. I ain't proud of it, but it wasn't public.

What exactly is a 'public' school. It's obviously not what the name implies but I didn't know there were also a category of 'private' schools. I presumed public meant private but obviously its more complex than that.
 
ha!

No-one really knows mate.

The division between public and private is basically historical, and seems to be to do with the schools historically used by the aristocracy. The new kids on the block were "private" in the same way that "red-brick" ui's referred to newer unis as Polytechnics or "ex-polys".
 
JoeBlack said:
What exactly is a 'public' school. It's obviously not what the name implies but I didn't know there were also a category of 'private' schools. I presumed public meant private but obviously its more complex than that.

Originally Public Schools were just that schools for the general public set up to educate them - but they were gradually stolen from us by various means - see here

"Let us begin with the story of what the historian Brian Simon once described as "probably the biggest hijack of public resources in history". This was plotted 131 years ago when the government's schools inquiry commission declared that there was no reason to encourage "indiscriminate gratuituous instruction", an idea that they compared in its mischief to the indiscriminate donation of alms to beggars. They proposed an ingenious reform, which was rapidly adopted by parliament.

They would seize the schools that then provided a free education for the poor in many towns and (ignoring the statutes that had established them) they would abolish them, and then (defying the lawful wishes of their benefactors), they would take over the endowments that had been left over the years to fund them and use the money to set up schools not for the poor but " for the extension of middle-class education". This was a bold idea, for which the commissioners received much credit, but, in truth, it was not an original one."

Private ones were just ones that were set up privately from the get go.
 
Chuck Wilson said:
Anyone come across a working class anarchist group in Morecambe ?
Aren’t there quite a few anarchists (of the hippyish lets be really radical and not wash and grow are own vegetables variety) in Lancaster? Not particularly working class though I would imagine.
 
Interesting stuff butchers!

emanymton said:
Aren’t there quite a few anarchists (of the hippyish lets be really radical and not wash and grow are own vegetables variety) in Lancaster? Not particularly working class though I would imagine.
I think there are SolFed people (anarchosyndicalists) in lancaster. They're a very sensible, down-to-earth bunch
 
ema:
You are thinking of the Cunningham Ammendment I think. They are nice people, and make lovely looking comic/prop things, but are firmly on the liberal wing of anarchism- a wing that is now dying out. Well, as it's a wing maybe it is shrivelling
 
icepick said:
Interesting stuff butchers!


I think there are SolFed people (anarchosyndicalists) in lancaster. They're a very sensible, down-to-earth bunch
Must be a different group I think. Apparently one of them (not solfed one of the other lot) once stood up in a meeting and claimed that growing you own vegetables is the most subversive thing you can do. :D
 
kropotkin said:
ema:
You are thinking of the Cunningham Ammendment I think. They are nice people, and make lovely looking comic/prop things, but are firmly on the liberal wing of anarchism- a wing that is now dying out. Well, as it's a wing maybe it is shrivelling
Yea that sounds like them, didn’t they cycle all the way to Genoa or was that someone else?
 
emanymton said:
Aren’t there quite a few anarchists (of the hippyish lets be really radical and not wash and grow are own vegetables variety) in Lancaster? Not particularly working class though I would imagine.


Years ago I went to a One-Tree-Island ( Manchester sound sytem ) do in Morecambe and it was full of crusties. Most of them were from Hulme though.

The England First party stood in Morecambe last year or the year before I think but perhaps they weren't after the votes of unwashed veg growers.
 
Ryazan said:
Haven't noticed a middle cass group in Morecambe either. If they are there, then it is probably because they don't even show up on the radar of working class people's conciousness.



Actually I agree with this - and it applies everywhere, not just in Morecambe.

I'm not just sniping at anarchists either. The fact is that for all but a negligible number of working class people -and middle class people for that matter-anarchism is unheard of.

The only group that the odd one or two working class people have ever heard of is, maybe, Class War and that's mostly for juvenile graffiti making a mess of the occasional wall somewhere. They probably don't associate them with anything called anarchism either.

This fact has a bearing on the subjects of several other threads on this forum, not least the one about Nick Griffin standing in Keighley. There are anarchists who claim that they do all kinds of things to make a difference but they remain completely invisible to the population at large-and seem content to remain so. No working class person will ever know about what they do because they don't publicise it.
 
LLETSA said:
This fact has a bearing on the subjects of several other threads on this forum, not least the one about Nick Griffin standing in Keighley. There are anarchists who claim that they do all kinds of things to make a difference but they remain completely invisible to the population at large-and seem content to remain so. No working class person will ever know about what they do because they don't publicise it.

You are pathetic and you do what excatly to justify your venting of shite. That goes not only for anarchism but socailism. Most working class people laugh at socialist groups and think they are worthless.

I have spent years publicisng events and doing community based projects and i dont shout at everyone that im an anarchist because that is childish and pathetic. Its insulting that you have such limited intellect that you make such broad worthless statements.
 
charlie mowbray said:
And the IWCA is known to...how many working class people ( outside one or two localities)?

dont even bother mate LLETSA gives any organisation a bad name this wanker puts me off the IWCA but i do know decent ones so i wont stoop to his level and make broad assumptions based on arse flakes.

Using ignore is always a possibility.
 
Anarchists for Mathematical Rigour Mortis

joshjosh said:
a percentage is a kind of ratio isn't it?

(99% is 99:100)

god that was a pedantic post

To your pedantic post let me add my own:

No, as a ratio its 99:1

[I'll get me coat of many colours..]
 
charlie mowbray said:
And the IWCA is known to...how many working class people ( outside one or two localities)?



Irrelevant to the point I was making.

The fact is that the IWCA, where it is functioning, doesn't hide the organisation from the rest of the working class. Presumably this would apply nationwide were they ever to get that far.
 
Herbert Read said:
You are pathetic and you do what excatly to justify your venting of shite. That goes not only for anarchism but socailism. Most working class people laugh at socialist groups and think they are worthless.

I have spent years publicisng events and doing community based projects and i dont shout at everyone that im an anarchist because that is childish and pathetic. Its insulting that you have the such limited intellect that you make such broad worthless statements.



You are even more defensive than the Leninists on here.

Like Charlie Mowbray's, your point is irrelevant to the one I was making.

If you don't tell people that you are an anarchist, how do you expect to win them to your ideas? That's a perfectly valid question, isn't it? I made it clear that I wasn't sniping at anybody when I made it. I thought that one of the purposes of a board like this was to question those who claim to have the answers.

The point about Keighley-or anywhere else where the BNP stands- is that there is a danger that the people who are considering voting for the BNP will conclude that there is no alternative apart from the mainstream parties when the opposition remains either invisible or largely counter-productive like UAF etc.
 
Herbert Read said:
dont even bother mate LLETSA gives any organisation a bad name this wanker puts me off the IWCA but i do know decent ones so i wont stoop to his level and make broad assumptions based on arse flakes.

Using ignore is always a possibility.



Go on punk, make my day.


(Although it will make you seem like you've conceded the arguments.)
 
LLETSA said:
Go on punk, make my day.


(Although it will make you seem like you've conceded the arguments.)

Its a possibility LLETSA but i will keep hounding you and your ignorance, check out what we do in leeds before making your self look like 'my way or the high way' self taught i 'know best' fool.

I concede nothing to you absolute nothing!
 
Herbert Read said:
And anarchists do :confused:



In any case the IWCA has received more attention in just a few short years, in the areas where it is organised, than any anarchist group during my lifetime.
 
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