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The Michael Gove File

I genuinely don't know, but I'm excited by the things schools are developing. I'll gather some links if you like?
Don't worry, i'm spending hours in meetings reading this shit. The thing is, you can't scrap something and leave nothing. This is kids' fucking futures. Do all the research, decide what's better, put all the fucking stuff in place, and then fucking do it.

I don't know what your subject is, but in english NC level descriptors are really specific, and there's almost no variation between staff. In drama there is some because we've never been a NC subject, and also because all the arts have an acknowledged level of subjectiveness in their marking, that would be disasterous to try and eradicate.
 
Don't worry, i'm spending hours in meetings reading this shit. The thing is, you can't scrap something and leave nothing. This is kids' fucking futures. Do all the research, decide what's better, put all the fucking stuff in place, and then fucking do it.

I don't know what your subject is, but in english NC level descriptors are really specific, and there's almost no variation between staff. In drama there is some because we've never been a NC subject, and also because all the arts have an acknowledged level of subjectiveness in their marking, that would be disasterous to try and eradicate.

Fuck me - it's pretty much English that is the example always used as being the least consistent - the worst thing that happened was APP - so a kid could be 3c, 4a,5c,4a, etc etc etc in all the AFs. In fact, the main criticism of levels has been the burden that APP put on English teachers.

I teach Maths. I think levels are helpful, but wrong, in that things that are L6 build on things you need to know at L7. But levels were NEVER designed to be used like that.

I totally agree that scrapping levels without thinking about what might replace them was wrong, shortsighted, and a travesty.

I'm not clear on why a kid not having a level is ruining their future? I genuinely think we'll still be able to teach them to know a lot of stuff and pass exams if they don't have a level. Why is this "kids' fucking futures"?
 
I think data is a more valid way to judge a school than unreliable and invalid observations of lessons, yes. I don't believe it's appropriate for individual students, no - but I do believe that schools should ensure their kids make progress. I utterly believe that "taking into account what happens outside" is lowering expectations. I think Amanda Ripley's book The Smartest Kids in the World is great on this, but I've also seen it in practice. Lowest quintile on every measure of educational disadvantage, including a Year 11 that left having had 292 kids (154 finished), such was the churn. Above average results nationally and incredible results on progress. Amazing happy school. Kids with "stuff" going on are dragged through to enhance life chances. Not quite as good as KIPP in America.
I'm not copping out here. My school is top 1% for progress nationally. But - to take one example - in a year where the arrest and imprisonment for murder of one of the kids who had been in the year group, and still a close friend of many, had a catastrophic effect on a large number of their grades in every subejct... there's no mechanism at all to mitigate. No one looks at the years of excellent progress before that. Teachers screw up their two years evidence collection for UPS progression... sometimes stuff happens.
 
I can't believe I've found a teacher defending levels and the data monolith of work that is associated with them. We virtually had a party when they went!
 
I'm not copping out here. My school is top 1% for progress nationally. But - to take one example - in a year where the arrest and imprisonment for murder of one of the kids who had been in the year group, and still a close friend of many, had a catastrophic effect on a large number of their grades in every subejct... there's no mechanism at all to mitigate. No one looks at the years of excellent progress before that. Teachers screw up their two years evidence collection for UPS progression... sometimes stuff happens.

Do you work in my school? 2011? Anyway, yes there is. For that one kid you tell the story. For the friends you tell the story. That's the mitigation. English "expected" progress is in the 70%s. And OFSTED take 3 years into account historically (I detest OFSTED) and internal data. There are all sorts of shit things that happen to schools and teachers, but I don't recognise what you're saying. UPS should obviously take that into account. If it's your internal SLT doing it, well that's not the fault of the system.

I'm no defender of the system. I detest the progressivism promoted by OFSTED and the curriculum that working class kids end up following (ie BTECs and the like).
 
Fuck me - it's pretty much English that is the example always used as being the least consistent - the worst thing that happened was APP - so a kid could be 3c, 4a,5c,4a, etc etc etc in all the AFs. In fact, the main criticism of levels has been the burden that APP put on English teachers.

I teach Maths. I think levels are helpful, but wrong, in that things that are L6 build on things you need to know at L7. But levels were NEVER designed to be used like that.

I totally agree that scrapping levels without thinking about what might replace them was wrong, shortsighted, and a travesty.

I'm not clear on why a kid not having a level is ruining their future? I genuinely think we'll still be able to teach them to know a lot of stuff and pass exams if they don't have a level. Why is this "kids' fucking futures"?
because they need some relaible, measurable way of telling them and their parents how far they need to go to gain the outcomes they need for their future. In maths i'm sure you can count the number of right and wrong answers and give them a score, but most subjects have an element of interpretation that can't be relected like that. Drama is pretty much all creative work.

And yes, it fucks with their futures if we experiment without being fully prepared. What if what happens next year is worse than levels? Less accurate, less helpful. What if the kids end up with less of an idea of where they are or how to get where they're going? That's completely unfair on them.
 
Do you think that if kids don't know a level they achieve less? I disagree. I think the obsession with kids "knowing their levels when OFSTED come" was a load of bollocks. It didn't help. Kids just parroted their levels and what they had to do to improve.

I am more optimistic than you - I think teachers will teach kids just as well and to their potential even if there is no level on them. I don't think an unreliable level is helpful. You will know of cases where the Level 5 English kid can barely write his name, or the EAL kid at Level 1 gets an A*.

I don't agree that levels are "reliable" at all. I am shocked that you think they are. The only other group of people I know that think that are OFSTED.
 
Do you work in my school? 2011? Anyway, yes there is. For that one kid you tell the story. For the friends you tell the story. That's the mitigation. English "expected" progress is in the 70%s. And OFSTED take 3 years into account historically (I detest OFSTED) and internal data. There are all sorts of shit things that happen to schools and teachers, but I don't recognise what you're saying. UPS should obviously take that into account. If it's your internal SLT doing it, well that's not the fault of the system.

I'm no defender of the system. I detest the progressivism promoted by OFSTED and the curriculum that working class kids end up following (ie BTECs and the like).
No, the trial was last year. But there is no mitigation allowed. A drop in results automatically triggers ofsted. That's what you get if you fetishise data and believe that it can tell you the whole story. and the new performance management guidelines say that a teacher cannot pass PM if they haven't hit their progress targets - if your school sticks to the rules (and that's what they're there for, then there is no leeway). Data is king, again.

Moreover, data says that in Drama (and Sport and fitness, music and art), our targets MUST be set based on their year 6 english and maths results. So a bookish 11 year old is expected to be the bests sportsman in the school, or the most skilled actor, or the best singer/painter... It's fucking nonsense. But if data is allowed to tell the whole picture, then that's what you're reduced to.

I don't mind observations, by comparison. Come in and watch me teach, talk to the students - see how hungry they are to learn and improve. My observations are consistently outstanding. But reduce everything to data and it's sometimes not the 100% picture. Because outstanding teaching and learning does not get results that fit a straight line of progress. I can teach impeccably, the kids can work their socks off, we can do after school lessons every night of the week... and some of them still won't get an A in drama gcse, because actually, to get an a you have to have a talent, a gift for acting.
 
Do you think that if kids don't know a level they achieve less? I disagree. I think the obsession with kids "knowing their levels when OFSTED come" was a load of bollocks. It didn't help. Kids just parroted their levels and what they had to do to improve.

I am more optimistic than you - I think teachers will teach kids just as well and to their potential even if there is no level on them. I don't think an unreliable level is helpful. You will know of cases where the Level 5 English kid can barely write his name, or the EAL kid at Level 1 gets an A*.

I don't agree that levels are "reliable" at all. I am shocked that you think they are. The only other group of people I know that think that are OFSTED.
I think they're a fucksite more reliable than a completely non-standardised system. How could they not be?
 
and yes, i think having a clear and specific understanding of what ability you are at, and how to make the next step does help students achieve. Of course it doesn't work if they just 'parrot' their levels - but we should be better teachers than that.
 
No, the trial was last year. But there is no mitigation allowed. A drop in results automatically triggers ofsted.

What? Who told you this? It's not true. Find me something in the inspection schedule on the OFSTED website (you won't). Even if OFSTED come, those 6 pupils need case studies. I can't believe I'm defending OFSTED (who I think should be abolished). The report allows for a TI to sort this. It doesn't mean that a school who drops below floor targets won't receive a visit - it may trigger this - but "a drop" does not automatically trigger anything. It's about context.

That's what you get if you fetishise data and believe that it can tell you the whole story. and the new performance management guidelines say that a teacher cannot pass PM if they haven't hit their progress targets

Where does it say this? This is your school's interpretation.

if your school sticks to the rules (and that's what they're there for, then there is no leeway). Data is king, again.

Link to the rules? (for the record I don't think they exist)

Moreover, data says that in Drama (and Sport and fitness, music and art), our targets MUST be set based on their year 6 english and maths results.

First, this is maths and English levels, so why are you defending them? Second, this is your school's decision, it's not mandatory.

So a bookish 11 year old is expected to be the bests sportsman in the school, or the most skilled actor, or the best singer/painter... It's fucking nonsense. But if data is allowed to tell the whole picture, then that's what you're reduced to.

I agree - levels are nonsense.

I don't mind observations, by comparison. Come in and watch me teach, talk to the students - see how hungry they are to learn and improve. My observations are consistently outstanding.

Bad news, Professor Coe says they're not reliable or valid. And why would they be? They're an hour of several thousand. The point is that kids need to learn. Here's the link to Coe: http://www.cem.org/blog/414/

But reduce everything to data and it's sometimes not the 100% picture. Because outstanding teaching and learning does not get results

What? Can outstanding learning not get results? What outstanding learning means kids are not making progress? I would say they're probably not learning. I agree "outstanding" teaching doesn't lead to results. I think the cult of "outstanding" is the most pernicious thing we've ever seen in education (David Didau has written about this extensively on his blog).

that fit a straight line of progress.
I agree. Read Tom Bennett's blog.

I can teach impeccably, the kids can work their socks off, we can do after school lessons every night of the week... and some of them still won't get an A in drama gcse, because actually, to get an a you have to have a talent, a gift for acting.

The myth of talent. I hate that. Gladwell, Syed (both popularly), Dweck have destroyed that. I don't agree. But if you have to have a "gift" why do they need a teacher? Difficult question.
 
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and yes, i think having a clear and specific understanding of what ability you are at, and how to make the next step does help students achieve. Of course it doesn't work if they just 'parrot' their levels - but we should be better teachers than that.

What, you can't do the above without levels? Don't be ridiculous. In fact kids in good lessons who are making progress know exactly what they're good at. It's why 50 year olds still say "I was shit at algebra but great at times tables" or whatever.
 
What, you can't do the above without levels? Don't be ridiculous. In fact kids in good lessons who are making progress know exactly what they're good at. It's why 50 year olds still say "I was shit at algebra but great at times tables" or whatever.

agree with you 100% on this levels are stupid, they should've been scrapped ages ago
 
I'll go up to bat for levels, as part of an equal national education system. It's not the levelling of work that's keeping me awake until 2am, it's the planning and ridiculously specific marking scheme which isn't related to levels.

In Primary, levels are pretty important for tracking the often chaotic and uneven progress young children make. In particular the sub levels of progress, which have also been scrapped. Each school making their own up means that children transferring from one to another is going to be entertainingly bureaucratic in terms of assessing the incoming child.

It also, and this is from my current experience, can mean that what was previously a National Standard Level 1 is mysteriously now a Level 2 in the schools own form of assessment.

Which is madness, because when the statutory tests come along, all of those Level 2 kids will grade solid 1's because the expectation of the statutory tests will be linked to an assessment criteria which isn't matched to the schools.

It's useful for teachers, who are pretty mobile, to know that L1 = this, as a guide for understanding. God help moving to a new school and having to pick up an entirely different range of assessment.

It's a neat little trick though. Break the pay spine for the country, break the system up with Academies and Free Schools and then dissolve the national standards of expectation except in DfE statutory tests at a time when the new curriculum is about to seriously fuck with teacher capability to implement. It means that they can cover their arses at the DfE if all of these reforms fuck the system over and exam grades go haywire, by blaming schools for poor assessment.

You may have partied SLK, but the cure could well be worse than the apparent illness.
 
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I think that the report is excellent. It reflects the evidence that you can't reliably or validly judge teacher quality in a one off lesson, let alone a 20 minute one. It means in the majority of inspections teachers at the chalkface won't see OFSTED at all. I think the idea of a Tailored Inspection is not terrible, though I think that should also not include observations. Sadly, it sounds like it will. I

I think data is everything. Sorry! What are we doing if we aren't getting the kids to learn? This doesn't justify the abuse of data that comes from SLTs.

I totally accept that teachers are asked to produce spurious data. One of the issues with this is that levels have been terrible. The same piece of work can get a different level on a different day from the same teacher... the reason is levels were never designed to assess pieces of work, or to be sublevelled, or anything like the abomination we have now!

Levels have gone already though (correctly in my view). So as you say, 2019's performance measures are not clear. I quite like the proposals for 2016. I suspect a standardised Year 6 test is coming very soon. I do like the opportunity we have to sort out assessment without the abomination that is levels.

Not sure what you're saying about 2017, progress 8 (from levels) is pretty clear, isn't it? I'd like to know which academy chain you work for making you go to meetings outside of directed time (or have they ditched that?)

Still, odd how many of us got a good education before all this bureaucratic encumberance existed.
 
Indeed, but I suspect that there wasn't one specific year where they binned both the curriculum and the national levels. Doing all of that in one go smacks of last year of office desperation for a legacy :facepalm:

I'm all for reforming levelling and assessment, reducing workload. I'm all for an effective useful curriculum. This strategy of Gove's delivers neither.
 
Channel 4 series Educating Yorkshire landed a top TV award as one of the stars of the show hit out at the education secretary Michael Gove. The programme collected the best documentary series prize at the Royal Television Society awards staged in London.

Michael Steer, a maths teacher who was a regular face on the series set in Dewsbury's Thornhill community academy, offered an unflattering dedication as he picked up the award.

He told guests from the TV industry: "On behalf of teachers I'd like to dedicate this award to Michael Gove and I mean dedicate in the Anglo Saxon sense, which means insert roughly into the anus of."
http://www.theguardian.com/media/2014/mar/19/rts-awards-rude-message-michael-gove
 
I'll go up to bat for levels, as part of an equal national education system. It's not the levelling of work that's keeping me awake until 2am, it's the planning and ridiculously specific marking scheme which isn't related to levels.

In Primary, levels are pretty important for tracking the often chaotic and uneven progress young children make. In particular the sub levels of progress, which have also been scrapped. Each school making their own up means that children transferring from one to another is going to be entertainingly bureaucratic in terms of assessing the incoming child.

It also, and this is from my current experience, can mean that what was previously a National Standard Level 1 is mysteriously now a Level 2 in the schools own form of assessment.

Which is madness, because when the statutory tests come along, all of those Level 2 kids will grade solid 1's because the expectation of the statutory tests will be linked to an assessment criteria which isn't matched to the schools.

It's useful for teachers, who are pretty mobile, to know that L1 = this, as a guide for understanding. God help moving to a new school and having to pick up an entirely different range of assessment.

It's a neat little trick though. Break the pay spine for the country, break the system up with Academies and Free Schools and then dissolve the national standards of expectation except in DfE statutory tests at a time when the new curriculum is about to seriously fuck with teacher capability to implement. It means that they can cover their arses at the DfE if all of these reforms fuck the system over and exam grades go haywire, by blaming schools for poor assessment.

You may have partied SLK, but the cure could well be worse than the apparent illness.

So you're going to bat for something that wasn't even designed for the thing it's being used for.

Levels were never designed to assess pieces of work.
 
And the internet was for universities to talk to each other, your point?
Levelling work is not a reliable assessment. Not surprising as that's not what levels are for. Not surprising as levels largely assess vague "skills" and not surprising given the breadth of levels (students can be level 8 on one thing (though a different teacher will give level 7) and level 4 on another). They're ridiculous.
 
Levelling work is not a reliable assessment. Not surprising as that's not what levels are for. Not surprising as levels largely assess vague "skills" and not surprising given the breadth of levels (students can be level 8 on one thing (though a different teacher will give level 7) and level 4 on another). They're ridiculous.

Every post of yours reeks of you having absorbed managerialism.
 
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