the long-awaited 'why the telegraph is going downhill' thread

[nino_savatte]

Have some sympathy for the man Nino. Narrowly surviving chernobyl can't be easy for anyone.

You could land hovercraft on that chrome dome.

He's a freakin' mutant!

 

[nino_savatte]

By being President Abraham Lincoln, for instance.

 

[ExtraRefined]

These losses are probably not statistically significant

What, do wind turbines sometimes resurrect dead birds instead of killing them?

 

[Quartz]

Abe was the Republican Presisdent who freed the slaves.

What, do wind turbines sometimes resurrect dead birds instead of killing them?

Try reading the article to which I linked.

 

[nino_savatte]

Abe was the Republican Presisdent who freed the slaves.



Try reading the article to which I linked.

I'm half-American, so it's not as if I know nothing about Lincoln. K?

Furthermore, Lincoln was not a civil rights advocate. If you believe he had some inherent love for black people, then sadly, you are very much mistaken.

 

[Sprocket.]

Abe Lincoln, had he lived would have shipped all the slaves back to Africa and dumped them anywhere.
I cannot understand the fascination folks in the civil rights movement fascination with the man.
Like the Rapist Thomas Jefferson.

 

[nino_savatte]

Abe Lincoln, had he lived would have shipped all the slaves back to Africa and dumped them anywhere.
I cannot understand the fascination folks in the civil rights movement fascination with the man.
Like the Rapist Thomas Jefferson.

Exactly. He wanted to ship them off to Liberia... and look what happened there. It was sort of like Israel before Israel came into being.

 

[nino_savatte]

Dan Hannan's latest blog. In essence, he's saying that anti-fascism is an "industry" while there is a "symbiotic relationship" between the EDL, Islamists and anti-fascists.

The symbiosis goes further. Britain has evolved a thriving anti-fascist industry, which must constantly find examples of a “far Right threat” to justify its existence. In reality, most Britons regard silly salutes and shiny boots as foreign affectations, and no fascist MP has ever been elected, either in the United Kingdom or elsewhere in the Anglosphere. So anti-fascists are forced to throw their definition wider and wider. Here, for example, is Matthew Goodwin, who makes a career out of combating the “far Right”, predictably complaining that Robinson’s conversion is not genuine and that nothing has changed for the EDL and yada yada.
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/d...amo-nutters-not-forgetting-the-anti-fascists/

Yet his brand of capitalism would require an authoritarian dictatorship (not unlike fascism) for it to work.

The comments thread is closed.

 

[nino_savatte]

Randist pencil-neck, Douglas Carswell today claims there is "no" austerity.

It is a strange sort of fiscal conservatism that spends £100 billion more each year than it takes in tax.

For all George Osborne’s rhetoric about being a fiscal conservative, we are, in all but name, living through the largest Keynesian spending stimulus in post-war history.

On current trends, government in Britain in 2018 will be much the same size it was in 2004. As a percentage of GDP, the state is far larger today that it was for most of Gordon Brown’s time as Chancellor.
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/d...ve-plan-to-reduce-our-bloated-brownian-state/

We need to put this idea of the Tories being "fiscal conservatives" to rest once and for all. Tories are actually fiscal liberals in the sense that they subscribe to the notion of the small state, the 'free market' and tend to privatise everything in sight.

 

[stavros]

It is a strange sort of fiscal conservatism that spends £100 billion more each year than it takes in tax.

They could collect more revenue if weird twins didn't live in hollowed-out volcanoes in the Channel to dodge their fair share.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Dan Hannan's latest blog. In essence, he's saying that anti-fascism is an "industry" while there is a "symbiotic relationship" between the EDL, Islamists and anti-fascists.


Yet his brand of capitalism would require an authoritarian dictatorship (not unlike fascism) for it to work.

The comments thread is closed.

He's so mad he makes a box of frogs look like a paragon of sanity!

 

[nino_savatte]

He's so mad he makes a box of frogs look like a paragon of sanity!

Hannan and Carswell are quite a pair (of fruitcakes).

 

[Gingerman]

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/n...g-obama-to-end-his-campaigning-and-posturing/
Poor aul Nile Gardener still in er....deNile

 

[DotCommunist]

the largest Keynesian spending stimulus in post-war history.

you what?

 

[nino_savatte]

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/n...g-obama-to-end-his-campaigning-and-posturing/
Poor aul Nile Gardener still in er....deNile

Zelo Street gets stuck into DeNile.

Gardiner had been in his usual snide and cat-calling Obama-bashing mode last week, kicking off his attack on the Prez – at which point any rational observer would have seen which way the wind was blowing around Capitol Hill – with “Barack Obama’s sinking leadership: half of Americans believe the Founding Fathers would see the US today as a failure”.

He had a poll to prove it, and guess whose poll that was? Rasmussen, that’s who, the polling organisation of choice for the likes of Fox News Channel (fair and balanced my arse). But it is not a poll on the President’s popularity, as it is equally not a poll on the popularity of either party, although the next one to sample support for the Republicans might make interesting reading.

http://zelo-street.blogspot.co.uk/2013/10/clueless-telegraph-pundit-loses-again.html

 

[The Pale King]

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/b...nger-for-publicity-of-anti-poverty-activists/

Brendan O'neill is the lowest of the low, the worst of the lot. I hate that Eddy Munster lookalike

 

[nino_savatte]

He's utter filth. Some of the comments (like the one below) are fairly typical of the social Darwinist right.

Caparros
• 2 hours ago

• −

Spot on article Brendan. I heard about the red cross preparing food baskets on the radio and thought it sounded fishy. And surprise surprise Guido Fawkes points out that the chairman of the red cross is also executive chairman of the Labour party:

http://order-order.com/2013/10...

Fraser Nelson wrote earlier in the year how Gordon Brown managed to wriggle a Labour party members into leading charities. Instead of trying to score political points and pontificate for the Labour party, these charities should be doing charitable work. And if anything, by making these ludicrous claims, they aren't helping people who genuinely need the help by putting off sensible people from donating.

 

[Quartz]

He's utter filth. Some of the comments (like the one below) are fairly typical of the social Darwinist right.

It would be worse if a charity like the Red Cross were being used for political ends.

 

[nino_savatte]

It would be worse if a charity like the Red Cross were being used for political ends.

Oh? How is the Red Cross being used for "political ends"?

 

[Quartz]

I'm not saying it is; I'm saying that the situation would be worse if it were.

 

[butchersapron]

It would be worse if a charity like the Red Cross were being used for political ends.

Worse than what? Than not being used for political ends - so you think it's not, so you disagree with the tripe written above about it. What is the point of saying that it would be worse if the claims were true?

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

There's this really shite quiz they've done, probably designed to fly round social media. It's supposed to be all about how much you love England, like if you drink tea or something. It's tacky jerk circle drivel almost beyond comprehension.

 

[nino_savatte]

I'm not saying it is; I'm saying that the situation would be worse if it were.

How so?

 

[Quartz]

How so?

Because a charity should work to charitable ends, not political ones.

 

[butchersapron]

Fuck me, is good better than evil as well? (Leaving aside your naive idea of non-political charity).

 

[purenarcotic]

Because a charity should work to charitable ends, not political ones.

Quite a lot of charities have core principles / aims / visions that describe a world without whatever it is they are fighting against. Those very statements in themselves are political. They're not going to rid the world of whatever ill they're tackling without being political.

 

[purenarcotic]

How can a charity not be political anyway. To set one up you're making a political statement, surely.

 

[nino_savatte]

Because a charity should work to charitable ends, not political ones.

Baby, everything is political.

 

[Quartz]

Baby, everything is political.

Indeed, but while a charity should indeed do things like lobby politicians, a charity working on behalf of and shilling for a political party is a whole different matter.

 

[butchersapron]

Oh God.