The kulaks are revolting - does Urban back big farmer?

[Bahnhof Strasse]

To be a farmer there, you have to be deemed fit to farm by the local administration. I doubt whether many landowners simply buying up farmland would pass that test.” He suggested a similar policy could be put in place in the UK, with true farmers given tax benefits.

In the UK the local administration will nearly always be filled with the landed gentry, so would probably result in fewer actual farms being farmed.

this fucking country.

 

[Chz]

The clue was in the " any land left unused for two years or more" bit, which allows a year fallow and an extra year to decide what you want to plant there.

Most "fallow" fields do in fact have something planted in them. Just not a cash crop. Just leaving them to nature doesn't work as well, so I think the limit is fine so long as planting clover or whatnot doesn't count as "unused".

 

[Elpenor]

Was known as set aside under CAP wasn’t it?

 

[Lotte]

I'm shocked, shocked I tell you:

Farmer protest organiser was behind racist and homophobic posts online

Clive Bailye, one of the five farmers who organised the march in the capital, wrote: "only a disabled, unemployed, black, LGBT, transgender, non tax paying, homeless, vegan immigrant in immediate need of NHS help" would vote Labour

www.mirror.co.uk

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Which is a bit rich considering how many Tories are tax dodgers. And farmers complaining about tax.

 

[brogdale]

Not the first time, I find myself part of a small minority...

 

[Elpenor]

A brief and totally both sided mention in tonight's episode of the Archers

 

[PTK]

A brief and totally both sided mention in tonight's episode of the Archers

I thought that it was on last night's episode that it was shoe-horned in.

 

[Elpenor]

I thought that it was on last night's episode that it was shoe-horned in.

Oh yes, only listened to it tonight

 

[PTK]

Oh yes, only listened to it tonight

Tha't a relief. I am not going sealion.
I thought that the mention of the farmers' protest was a little clumsy.

 

[_Russ_]

Not the first time, I find myself part of a small minority...

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Urban 75...innit, most of the UK Population have a completely manipulated idea of the majority of Farmers crooked parasitic ways

 

[BigMoaner]

“Partridge! You WANKER!”

 

[mentalchik]

I think as usual this has been distorted by the very wealthy landowners and people buying up land to avoid tax....my cousin's husband who has been what he called a 'cowman' all his working life (now retired) working on different farms, only comment to this was that for all the whining he'd never come across a 'poor' farmer

 

[brogdale]

I think as usual this has been distorted by the very wealthy landowners and people buying up land to avoid tax....my cousin's husband who has been what he called a 'cowman' all his working life (now retired) working on different farms, only comment to this was that for all the whining he'd never come across a 'poor' farmer

This.
No without reason they all vote tory.

 

[Rompipalle]

 

[Rebecca Riot]

Urban 75...innit, most of the UK Population have a completely manipulated idea of the majority of Farmers crooked parasitic ways

A lot of people have this romanticised vision of farming with cows grazing in the meadow and pigs snuffling about in the mud. Of course there are still farms like this but it's becoming increasingly industrialised. There's a mega dairy in the next village to me where they have 2000 cows who spend their entire lives indoors being fed on high protein food so they can be milked 3 times a day instead of the normal 2. I've lost count of the number of times the company that owns the farm has been fined for 'accidentally' releasing slurry into a nearby stream but they're making so much bloody money they just pay the fine and carry on.

 

[brogdale]

A lot of people have this romanticised vision of farming

Even in this thread there appears to be a perception gap between those who have experience of working on/living amongst farms and those whose experience of the countryside is predominantly based on visits.

 

[pbsmooth]

“Ten landowners - just ten! - own one sixth of Dorset. They include Jonathan Harmsworth... whose family own the Daily Mail. Are alarm bells beginning to ring over the way this debate's being framed?”

Solid point from the twitter thread a few pages back. The whole argument is a mess - the change is a good one that only affects a few incredibly rich landowners pretending to be farmers. The rest is just noise by people deliberately misleading or being manipulated.

 

[Ax^]

my 100 grand range rover.. ah it a farm tool not a personal luxury

 

[Rompipalle]

 

[SpookyFrank]

Not the first time, I find myself part of a small minority...

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58% of the country up in arms for the sake of 500 landed gentry. It's like the middle ages all over again.

 

[SpookyFrank]

Even in this thread there appears to be a perception gap between those who have experience of working on/living amongst farms and those whose experience of the countryside is predominantly based on visits.

I've lived in the countryside most of my life and I'm in a position to confirm that farmers are all cunts.

 

[Funky_monks]

I've lived in the countryside most of my life and I'm in a position to confirm that farmers are all cunts.

Clearly I also live in the countryside and I don't think that.

I do sometimes wonder at the whole "legacy" thing though. By that, I mean being born on a farm and being expected to farm, negates people who don't want to do that or aren't really interested/don't like science etc.

For example: on the last thread, you didn't really understand how plants grow, and aren't really a "science guy" but equally why should you if you aren't interested in either science or applying it? I assume from other threads that you've posted on that you are quite intelligent, but clearly science isn't your thing/you don't know much about it - which is fine.
But it wouldn't be if you'd been brought up in an environment that demanded that you grew up and applied biology/chemistry for a living.

 

[Dom Traynor]

Fuck the farmers. Jump on your pyre squire.

 

[SpookyFrank]

Clearly I also live in the countryside and I don't think that.

I do sometimes wonder at the whole "legacy" thing though. By that, I mean being born on a farm and being expected to farm, negates people who don't want to do that or aren't really interested/don't like science etc.

For example: on the last thread, you didn't really understand how plants grow, and aren't really a "science guy" but equally why should you if you aren't interested in either science or applying it? I assume from other threads that you've posted on that you are quite intelligent, but clearly science isn't your thing/you don't know much about it - which is fine.
But it wouldn't be if you'd been brought up in an environment that demanded that you grew up and applied biology/chemistry for a living.

I'm a science teacher. And a molecular biologist by training. It's this background that puts me in a position to call you out for your relentless, bad-faith shilling for industrial animal agriculture.

 

[hash tag]

 

[Funky_monks]

I'm a science teacher. And a molecular biologist by training. It's this background that puts me in a position to call you out for your relentless, bad-faith shilling for industrial animal agriculture.

By training? You mean you have a Batchelor's degree?
You didn't even understand how plants used nutrients on the last thread.

FWIW I trained as a secondary science teacher and completed my NQT year before I left for HE and the standard of scientific knowledge amongst the teachers wasn't exactly encyclopaedic, but then I've marked some pretty poor undergrad theses who still went on to achieve a degree.

 

[SpookyFrank]

but then I've marked some pretty poor undergrad theses who still went on to achieve a degree.

Well that's always a risk when you let people mark their own work.

 

[Funky_monks]

Well that's always a risk when you let people mark their own work.

I don't think thats quite the withering put down you think it is.

Apart from anything else, you should probably know that all theses are moderated by somebody else to ensure valid and consistent grades.

 

[SpookyFrank]

I don't think thats quite the withering put down you think it is.

Apart from anything else, you should probably know that all theses are moderated by somebody else to ensure valid and consistent grades.

Somebody else who works at the academic institution that gave you a job, yesterday:

 

[Hotel Chocolate]

Oooh...